Marijuana

[Frozenguy]

A psychology teacher talking about our respiratory system?
I guess you, and evidently they, didn't know that THC is a known bronchodilator, as in its good for preventing asthma attacks, it opens up the airways.

Charles Ksir, PhD, Professor of Psychology at the University of Wyoming, and Oakley Ray, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Pharmacology at Vanderbilt University, wrote in their 2004 textbook Drugs, Society and Human Behavior:

"Experiments have shown that chronic, daily smoking of marijuana impairs air flow in and out of the lungs. It is hard to tell yet whether years of such an effect results in permanent, major obstructive lung disease in the same way that smoking tobacco cigarettes does.

This is what happens if you OD on one of the bronchodilators your doctor will give you:

Symptoms

* Airways and lungs
o Difficulty breathing
o Gasping for breath
o No breathing
* Bladder and kidneys
o No urine output
* Eyes, ears, nose, and throat
o Blurred vision
o Dilated pupils
* Heart and blood vessels
o High blood pressure, which then leads to low blood pressure
o Rapid heartbeat
* Nervous system
o Chills
o Coma
o Convulsions
o Fever
o Irritability
o Nervousness
o Tingling of hands and feet
o Tremor
* Skin
o Blue lips and fingernails
* Stomach and intestines
o Nausea
o Vomiting

[Lrchops]

Every day I read about police brutality, should this unbalanced source of information be taken to account for all police?

No.

Because for every 100 cops out there doing there job, the 3 jackasses that mess up get on TV, not the cops saving lives. I know I won't be presented with a fair account of police. As such police should understand their job is to take care of the negative people in society, not the positives. Therefore they should not be shocked when they see bad ****.

So if you want to perceive all marijuana users as losers with no lives so be it. But don't be angry when your treated in kind based off your co-workers actions.

Every day you read about police brutality? Really? Every day? You must be reading about the cops in 3rd world countries because I watch the news and read the morning reports every day and I don't see it here in the USA on a daily basis! Maybe you can post up each days news story about police brutality.

[Lrchops]

Funny how you advocates will justify marijuana any way you can for medical purposes when the truth of the matter is you use medicinal as an excuse and abuse the title. There are those who do benefit, and most who don't, yet hide behind the whole medicinal thing.

[Rhythm of Life]

Not "jaded" just experienced. Many many of the "wasted" were adolescents. Who through marijuana use ruined their family and their own lives.

If you only see one spectrum of the culture how is that not jaded?

Of course not. But many are and even more are just lost soles without any drive to improve themselves.

Interesting way to talk about our founding fathers...


I'll bet you have never actually seen in person any "police brutality". You have probably seen video's . But If you have seen even one police use of force I would be surprised.

I have experienced it first hand. I've had my shoulder dislocated, I've had my 5 week healed fractured foot re-fractured. I've ****ing lived it and I got the god damn damage to prove it.

No generalization. Just observations after 30 years of seeing many many marijuana users with wasted broken and unproductive lives.

Once again you deal with criminals, not outstanding members of society. What'd you expect to see?


You can't blame a piece of metal. It did not act on it's own.

The DRUG DEALER died because one of his DRUG BUYING so called friends killed him so he could take his HARMLESS marijuana.

So marijuana is harmless? Then it too did not act on its own. Therefore its the users fault.

Every day you read about police brutality? Really? Every day? You must be reading about the cops in 3rd world countries because I watch the news and read the morning reports every day and I don't see it here in the USA on a daily basis! Maybe you can post up each days news story about police brutality.

Ok so exaggerated, you still never responded to my main point:

So if you want to perceive all marijuana users as losers with no lives so be it. But don't be angry when your treated in kind based off your co-workers actions.

Every student I know at my college has at least had a cop abuse their powers once on them.

[21SF]

Not "jaded" just experienced. Many many of the "wasted" were adolescents. Who through marijuana use ruined their family and their own lives.

Criminals smoke weed too, just like they also have guns. Does that mean all people with guns are criminals?
Of course not. But many are and even more are just lost soles without any drive to improve themselves.

Thats the nature of those poeple.

Looks at horders, there addicted to random stuff!!!

I'll bet you have never actually seen in person any "police brutality". You have probably seen video's . But If you have seen even one police use of force I would be surprised.



No generalization. Just observations after 30 years of seeing many many marijuana users with wasted broken and unproductive lives.

the same can be said about alcoholics? or rx drug poppers? anything in excess is bad....
You can't blame a piece of metal. It did not act on it's own.

The DRUG DEALER died because one of his DRUG BUYING so called friends killed him so he could take his HARMLESS marijuana.

Again, you seem to ignore the fact that the black market created by it illegality is what causes incedents of this nature.

[21SF]

Yes. I do. If your personal freedom causes you to tramp all over the personal freedom of another, you should lose that freedom. Until you can prove to society that you are no longer a threat, don't do it. If you do, face the consequences.

Like an alcoholic drinking and driving ?

Like someone using a gun to rob someone?
BTW, I feel all violent felons should have their 2A rights stripped under the same circumstances... Enough time passes and they can prove they are no linger a threat, they can have the rights back.

I agree violent offenses should have a stiffer penalty

Again, I don't give a damn about some junkie or if he wants to ruin his life... His/her choice. I want us to have the personal freedom our founders intended. DO I think we are ready for it??? NO. We as a society currently lack the responsibility. Hold people responsible for their actions, whether you agree with the law or not.

When you have a lady sue a furniture store that does not have a sign saying watch your kids, then trips on her own kid and wins millions, we have problems. Problems that won't be fixed either way.

Exactly so some people are loser regardless of a plant.

[21SF]

Ok lets look at this from a different prospective.

Lets say it doesnt have any medicinal effects, the queen of england didnt use it for mentrual pains, it wasnt bottled as medicine in early america.

Alcohol has no medicinal benifits either, right?

So how many people a year die from alcohol related incidents?

So how different are alcohol and cannibis?

Hopps and cannibis are very related and both plants right? Why is one ok and the other isnt? Look it up hopps and cannibis are cusins in the plant world.

They both have the power to ruin lives as anything does, again look at horders.

Alcohol block the receptors in the brain blocking electrical ativity, basically reverting us to neanderthals. Sex, food, fight. Primitive.

but thats ok, as long as we dont inhale a plant and become sleepy, hungry, or happy.

The bottom line is that if something so distructive as alcohol is legal, then a much less harmful substance should be too.


EVEN IF ALCOHOL< TABACCO<CANNIBIS WHERE ALL EQUALLY DISTRUCTIVE WHY ARE TWO LEGAL AND ONE NOT?

[Tacit Blue]

lets say it was legalized... and it was served at Bars along with alcohol, now imagine your a Pilot at a airport at the Bar lounge and you smoke some Marijuana. Now its time for you board your 737 and fly passengers to their destination would you want somebody in a professional capacity to be allowed to smoke? Just sayin....

[21SF]

SVT 40, sorry your way off base with your, so called facts.

How does cannibis have the same harmful chemicals as tabacco? was its sprayed with pesitcides and radio active chemicals? rat poison? etc. Like tabacco does? legally?

[21SF]

lets say it was legalized... and it was served at Bars along with alcohol, now imagine your a Pilot at a airport at the Bar lounge and you smoke some Marijuana. Now its time for you board your 737 and fly passengers to their destination would you want somebody in a professional capacity to be allowed to smoke? Just sayin....

Lol, at your name.

No they shouldnt be flying people around under the influence of anything !!! period. Not alcohol, not Rx drugs, not cannibis. Nothing.

[Frozenguy]

Funny how you advocates will justify marijuana any way you can for medical purposes when the truth of the matter is you use medicinal as an excuse and abuse the title. There are those who do benefit, and most who don't, yet hide behind the whole medicinal thing.

Why did you ignore everything in this thread?

[Tacit Blue]

If Marijuana was legal i would assume that would reduce violent crimes wouldn't it? Last time i checked, i don't think anybody resisted arrest or ran away from a Police Helicopter stoned from Pot. In theory wouldn't a society that is allowed to smoke pot, be more docile and easier to manage? If you take away prohibition their wouldn't be any violent crimes attributed towards Marijuana if you just could go pick it up at your local Rite Aid, or Wall-greens. All the corporations would control the market value, thus forcing any drug dealers to close up shop.. The Law made in the 30's is a racist and bigot law , that was used to attach a certain stigma against Hispanics and Blacks. Stating that any White Woman were to associate with Mexicans or Black's that they would be raped against their will. It was spread by William Randolph Hearst and his newspaper tycoon. And the political stance on it has constantly evolved from the original logic... Alcohol results in far more issues, every 21 minutes their is a DUI related accident on a national level due to Alcohol. Not to mention Domestic Family fights, and bar-fights. The worst that could happen with pot, is that you could be stuck on the couch for awhile and eventually get hungry. I don't understand its fine to drink Fermented Yeast and destroy your liver and stomach, but pot isn't??? Hmmmm what strange reasoning.....

[21SF]

Its easier to keep the funding LEO's have fighting againts marijuana.

The fight is also a lot easier. Not as dangerious as busting into meth lab.

[1911su16b870]

...That is no other mindset than that of the anti-gunners. Outlaw it before anything can happen. Marijuana ruin lives, make it illegal. Guns kill people, make it illegal. But somehow they don't see the responsible gun owners, they don't see the responsible marijuana smokers...

I write about IMO freedom to do it responsibly in your own home within CA law and not hurt anyone and you write that I have the mindset of an anti-gunner? GUNS and WEED are NOT the same. You pro-weeders need to cut this cra$ out. There is no 2A for weed.

What have you been smoking?

Weed has been illegal long before anyone writing about it in this thread was born.

Look, cops enforce the law...you guys have an agenda...what you hope to accomplish here in the LE forum baffles me. Take this stuff out of this forum and into OT.

[Lrchops]

Its easier to keep the funding LEO's have fighting againts marijuana.

The fight is also a lot easier. Not as dangerious as busting into meth lab.

That is totally false! Most big city home invasions and drug related shooting are over marijuana. This is something I know from personal experience as an investigator. There are rarely Meth lab shootings if any! That is for obvious reasons!

Meth labs are far more dangerous as far as the toxic chemicals involved in the production of meth. BUT, I have been into many hazardous indoor marijuana grows that are nearly as bad with extreme hazards such as bobbie traps, toxic mold, dangerous electrical, and armed gatekeepers!!

Most LEO's and jurisdictions in California do not want to dealw ith the marijuana issue. In fact, most cops look the other way and do nothing about marijuana if legal prop 215 paperwork is in play. I look past marijuana every single work day, because I enforce the law. But if jerkhole pot dealer is hiding behind the FAKE physicians recommendation and dealing to make cash out of compliance, they are going to jail. WHY? because the whole medicinal thing is mostly a sham to hide behind a law and make millions. IF you are going to legalize it, then get in the parade and make it happen for real! Lets be like AMsertdam!