why do so many come in here and BASH COPS

[Twinkies]

Mutual respect = tolerance

Thanks for the reply, I agree, and if you were my neighbor Im sure we'd get along just fine.. Theres a lot more to my story, but I like this forum and the fact that LEO's contribute to it so Ill leave it at that!

[CaliTheKid]

An open and respectful post to the moderators:

I think if you look at the LEO response to this forum, it's obviously a lot of LEO's genuinely want to be a part of Calguns but under the current post allowances-- things are headed down hill quick. I know how busy moderating a website can be-- and I respectfully submit to the moderators to elect a LEO to become a mod for this forum. We have many long time LEO members and I bet you would not have a problem finding someone willing to do it.

Thank you for reading.

[CaliTheKid]

Cavtrooper won't be responding to anything here anymore.
Since basic reading comprehension seems to have eluded him in reference to the rules of this forum he can no longer access this forum.

Hey Kestryll-- thank you for that. We posted at about the same time-- any thoughts to my idea-- even if the LEO only had MOD access to this forum?

[goathead]

An open and respectful post to the moderators:

I think if you look at the LEO response to this forum, it's obviously a lot of LEO's genuinely want to be a part of Calguns but under the current post allowances-- things are headed down hill quick. I know how busy moderating a website can be-- and I respectfully submit to the moderators to elect a LEO to become a mod for this forum. We have many long time LEO members and I bet you would not have a problem finding someone willing to do it.

Thank you for reading.

great idea i vote for that
i want a open forum for all to enjoy not bash on one group
i love leos they have saved my butt more than once
i feel like i own them some thing

[Libertarian71]

Everyone wants to bash LEO's until they call 911......

I'd rather first call on my 1911, before calling 911.

[Libertarian71]

I agree that warrantless bashing of LEOs is rude, uncalled for, and should be proscribed. Nevertheless, I think Calguns should promote a healthy, but respectful, give-and-take between LEOs and the citizenry they are supposed to serve.

[ilbob]

Why do people come here to bash cops?
Why is it that people come here claiming that officers stop people and write bogus tickets because they know that the citizens don't have the the time to fight it in court, yet those same people have enough spare time to come to forums like this and waste hours complaining about officers?

Could it be as simple as that court is typically set for times when it is extremely inconvenient for virtually all people not being paid to be there, and the forum is open 24/7?

[Ron-Solo]

Could it be as simple as that court is typically set for times when it is extremely inconvenient for virtually all people not being paid to be there, and the forum is open 24/7?

I doubt it. Many courts have night court sessions and the ability for trial by statement or declaration.

Contesting a citation is a right that law enforcement agrees with and supports.

There is a difference between contesting a citation and hiding behind a keyboard and making general negative or harassing comments. That's not what this forum is all about.

[paladin4415]

Could it be as simple as that court is typically set for times when it is extremely inconvenient for virtually all people not being paid to be there, and the forum is open 24/7?

You say that like it's the cops that set the court schedule.
I have had the go to court on my child's birthday, my wife's birthday and several other VERY inconvenient times. I have gotten off a graveyard shift at 7am, been in court at 9am (for about 2hrs) and at 1pm (another hour and a half) and been back at work that night at 9pm. Did I get paid? Yes. Would I have traded that pay for sleep? Hell yes!
There are more mechanisms in place to hold LEO's accountable than any other profession out there. To come to an internet forum, especially an LEO forum and just rant and bash LEO's shows very poor taste.

[TRICKSTER]

Since you asked, my answer would be prejudice, not always initially from cops, but from cops choosing to side with other citizens who spread the FUD (as this forum would call it.) Because Im a renter, I drive old trucks, I ride dirtbikes, I ride a chopper, I drink beer in the garage and make lots of noise, I excercise my 2nd ammendment rights, and my choice of fashion may be offensive to some, I dont get along with the neighborhood watch types. Im single, I have people over a lot, and all of a sudden PD is hanging out down the street for a month because my neighbor thinks I must be selling drugs or running a chop shop out of my garage because I have vehicles everywhere.
Unfortunately it doesnt matter if I try to be polite and try to explain the situation, I get the LEOs who automatically side with the family whos parents are the cleanly dressed school teachers with a new minivan and a well kept front yard. I blame them for letting these situations escalate and encouraging my neighbors by responding to these rediculous calls.
This happens every time I move, and guess what? No arrestes, no citations, nothing. You dont need to break any laws or traffic violations to have LE encounters.

If this is the case, that "This happens everytime I move" uptight neighbors and cops are probably not the problem. You might want to consider renting a place more isolated so that your lifestyle is not disturbing the peace of the neighborhood.

[bruceflinch]

I'm not an LEO & I don't play one on TV. I didn't come here to bash, either. On Calguns for 4 yrs & never been here. Just came to visit. Never had a bad encounter w/ an LEO. Lord knows when I was in the Navy, I deserved some.

I think the Forum brings out the "keyboard commando" in people. And not just in this forum.

I wanted to be a LEO when I was in high school, but the sight requirements then, wouldn't allow it. As an adult, I'm lucky not to have chosen the profession. I would have been one of those 'bad cops' who killed scumbuckets & planted a gun on them. Man I hate scumbuckets & there are plenty to hate. Working in Oakland is a challenge for me. So you Gentlemen , have my respect in your restraint & ability to deal w/ morons & the general public everyday.

[ilbob]

I doubt it. Many courts have night court sessions and the ability for trial by statement or declaration.

Contesting a citation is a right that law enforcement agrees with and supports.

As I understand it, you don't get a choice of when your court date is, so night court is not really an option for a traffic offense. The written declaration thing seems to be a CA innovation, and a pretty good one. Is this something widely known, or something you have to just know about?

You say that like it's the cops that set the court schedule.
I have had the go to court on my child's birthday, my wife's birthday and several other VERY inconvenient times. I have gotten off a graveyard shift at 7am, been in court at 9am (for about 2hrs) and at 1pm (another hour and a half) and been back at work that night at 9pm. Did I get paid? Yes. Would I have traded that pay for sleep? Hell yes!
There are more mechanisms in place to hold LEO's accountable than any other profession out there. To come to an internet forum, especially an LEO forum and just rant and bash LEO's shows very poor taste.

Traffic court is always set for when the majority of people are at work. I did not mean to imply it was set for the convenience of LE, only that it is virtually always inconvenient for the guy trying to contest a ticket.

There are more mechanisms in place to hold LEO's accountable than any other profession out there. To come to an internet forum, especially an LEO forum and just rant and bash LEO's shows very poor taste.

It may seem to some that those mechanisms don't work especially well. Its hard to tell from the outside looking in if they work or not because most LEAs are pretty secretive about their disciplinary system, and it often appears to be a system that is oriented primarily to clearing the officers involved in questionable activities. It probably is not that bad, but you must admit that appearances are important to public opinion and a system that operates in secrecy is not one that will ever have wide faith from the public. People are pretty cynical these days and its not too surprising that regardless of reality, people will never truly trust a system that investigates itself.

[yzErnie]

The fact of the matter is some people will question everything that happens and voice their suspicions and opinions while basing them only on speculation and innuendo...without a clue of what really happens. Some people simply cannot be made happy even if they get the answer they wanted.

ETA: There is no secrecy to the disciplinary process for LEOs. The POBR prohibits the release the results of a disciplinary from being made public.

[KaTooM]

Maybe if our laws here in California were a little more in line with the rest of the country, we would not see said bashing...

[ilbob]

ETA: There is no secrecy to the disciplinary process for LEOs. The POBR prohibits the release the results of a disciplinary from being made public.

In what world is "not made public" not a synonym for "secret"?