why do so many come in here and BASH COPS

[Fire in the Hole]

J-cat, I'm sitting here in excrutitating pain from surgery this am. Percoset and Kessler is only barely taking the edge off. We get enough tail-chasing and obtuse statements here from non LEO's. I have a lot of patience, but it is finite. I'm weary and tired of you playing "Riddle me this" and "20 questions" on this forum. For God's sake man, just state your occupation, and who you work for specificaliy. Here, I'll start the process so that you can learn from my example. U.S.Army MP, LASO Deputy Sheriff, CHP Officer. Presently full-time college student, working on a J.D. degree. Okay, so that's how it's done. Not only do I talk the Talk, I walk the walk. Your turn.

[rolly]

may be its the way you drive i had VFR750 all red, cbr 600 all loud pipes i have had 5 other motorcycles and have never been pulled over

at 5mph !!!! or maybe bad luck ?

[Ron-Solo]

Fire, hope you feel better soon.

[lavgrunt]

12031(e) PC

Gentlemen,

I refer you to the following. I hope this settles the question once and for all:

12031 PC

(e) In order to determine whether or not a firearm is loaded for
the purpose of enforcing this section, peace officers are authorized
to examine any firearm carried by anyone on his or her person or in a
vehicle while in any public place or on any public street in an
incorporated city or prohibited area of an unincorporated territory.
Refusal to allow a peace officer to inspect a firearm pursuant to
this section constitutes probable cause for arrest for violation of
this section.

[Jonathan Doe]

It seems like there is a dispute about the peace officer status on this board. There are so many different types of peace officer status based on PC 830.***. City officers, deputy sheriffs, ... are 830.1. Anyone here mind saying what their status is? I am 830.1. Maybe this can clear up some questions.

[yzErnie]

830.1

[paladin4415]

830.1

[lavgrunt]

Same.......830.1......in the OC

[KaTooM]

420.69 Love and peace officer...never mind bad joke.

This thread has some miles on it now. For the record I have never bashed a Cop on here, or have any reason too. I also like to hear what is on thier minds as far as Gun control and other topics.

I also think if someone has a beef with leo's they should respecfully post about it after the fact.

[SkyStorm82]

830.1

[Ron-Solo]

830.1

[J-cat]

Yes, which is the point I've been trying to make. Since the OLLs were made after the AW ban went into effect, based on what you see the operator doing, you have 'reasonable suspicion' that the person may be in possession of an illegal AW. On it's face it is not enough to arrest, but it is sufficient to investigate further.

Ron

+1

I agree.

[J-cat]

All you have committed to being is someone who has "peace officer" status and denied you are a Correctional Officer.

That leaves the field wide open. If you were a City Police officer, County Deputy Sheriff, or Highway Patrol Officer you would have said so. That leaves it open from the State Gaming Commission to the Veternary Licensing Board. Security Officers of a Water District and the Public Utilities Commission have "peace officer" powers (830.31 PC) Some others include Food and Drug Administration Investigators, Racing Board Investigators, and many others.

You claim your knowledge is based on your peace officer status, which is questionable, since you won't answer the question.

It leads to credibility, which is why you should quit dodging the question.

The question has been answered. You just have not read my responses thoroughly enough. Not a CO but works for CDC in the field... what could I be? Look up 830.2/830.5 you'll see.

As far as your explanation, you added additional details into the mix such as specific knowledge that a certain brand of lower receiver was brought to market after the ban. That, of course, makes your case for reasonable suspicion. I was talking about a generic AR. Maybe I should have been more clear.

My position is that your typical AR at the range is going to be a generic Colt, Armalite, Bushy, etc. You can't tell without looking up close. You don't know when it was obtained. There is no provision in the law that allows you to demand to examine it just because you feel like it. That was my whole point all along. If you overhear a conversation, have specific knowledge it is a post-ban gun, it fires off a full-auto burst, etc. then you have the right to detain. And yes, no one has the right to resist a detention, be it lawful or unlawful, but they don't have to put up with any sneaky consensual stuff either.

[Trendkill]

They can say whatever they want to say, because their 1st Amendment rights are protected by LEOs.......

Ummmm...thats just flat out not the case. Our 1st amendment rights are protected by the 1st amendment.

[J-cat]

Post #106


If you are a cop, you are a Defense Attorneys dream witness.

See, there you go again, firing off without thinking:

If a cop asks to see your gun, that is not a direct order. You can tell him to F-off. He cannot cite you unless someone other than himself is offended.

If a cop orders you to put the gun down and step away from it, that is a direct order and you have to comply. Ever been detained? Ever been approached? Do you know the difference? Obviously not.