The STOP SB 249 (Yee) Campaign: Moves fwd to Appropriations Cmte - Back to Work!!

[surfguy]

Unbelievable--how did California get to this point? What happened to all the cowboys?

The vegans that moved put them out of work.

[serjm1a1]

all this debate over the net is fine...but...I think a face to face meeting with people in our surrounding areas would be much more effective...cal gun meet ups to talk about what can be done....just my $0.02..on a side note...I am Mexican and not a racist...my girlfriend is half Philippina and Chinese and she is also a gun owner...We both are not republican or democrats...but we believe in all of our rights that the U.S. gives us. All this talk about gun owners being racist is flat out wrong. Both being born here, we don't take anything for granted.

[Wiz-of-Awd]

...Unbelievable--how did California get to this point?...

Voting or lack of.

...What happened to all the cowboys?

Voting or lack of.

A.W.D.

[CaliforniaLiberal]

I'm wondering, if Yee violates Heller or McDonald... Anyone???

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[shadowofnight]

I own an AR15 style rifle which is not banned by name/model and due to the presence of a bullet button is also not a semi automatic center fire rifle capable of accepting a detachable magazine, thus my rifle is not illegal in California.

We all know/understand that completely, and agree wholeheartedly.


That being said, hearing the audio of the vote today...and realizing that the people in office making these decisions sound like they have a collective 3rd grade education at best. Visual demonstrations work wonders on simple people.

All Yee has to do is hold up a bullet buttoned AR style rifle , and show them that they do in fact accept a detachable magazine easily and quickly ...that can be used to kill multiples of people in short periods of time.

If Yee had half a brain , he could embarrass those claiming the bullet button creates a firearm that does not accept detachable magazines.

All he would have to do is ask people in attendance for simple items on their person right now as he speaks. A key ring ( One key on the ring is always small enough to work ) from one person, a pair of tweezers from a womans purse....a business card from somebody else ( Tear off a piece, roll it twice...works perfect )....etc etc.

He could ask for a hundred different items from the crowd, walk over to the rifle .... detach the magazine with any of the so called " Tools " he acquired from the crowd...and slam home a new loaded magazine in seconds.

Then ask the crowd if that really looks like this weapon cant accept detachable magazines. With it being THAT simple to detach an empty magazine and insert a fully loaded magazine, with something everybody has in their reach at any given moment ( Not some specialized tool ) nobody in that crowd could say yes with a straight face.

I take my hat off , to those who were responsible for getting the sheep to accept the BB as a firearm not capable of accepting a detachable magazine...that was better than anything Houdini ever accomplished.

[XD40SUBBIE]

all this debate over the net is fine...but...I think a face to face meeting with people in our surrounding areas would be much more effective...cal gun meet ups to talk about what can be done....just my $0.02..on a side note...I am Mexican and not a racist...my girlfriend is half Philippina and Chinese and she is also a gun owner...We both are not republican or democrats...but we believe in all of our rights that the U.S. gives us. All this talk about gun owners being racist is flat out wrong.

It's "Filipina"...Who said anything about being racist? Gun owners have the commonality that unlike the sheep out there, we realized one important thing- the State cannot protect you when the STHF. The state is in fact doing what it can so that you are unprotected. None of this stops people from getting killed - well, perhaps the dirt bag that breaks into your house trying to get your things. It merely looks like they are anti-crime to be antigun. I guess in the 39 years I've lived I can't find a better time than now to finally concede that MOST of our species are morons, that simply feel their way through life rather than thinking. (Thinking as a Hobby - William Golding. recommended reading!)

BTW, we owe this all to KCBS in SF for doing the "expose" on "Assault Rifles". Which featured some dude that did not have the foresight to know that his comments would be twisted and used to provoke - um, it is the freaking media...learn to STFU. "It gives me adrenaline." (when talking about why he owns an AR-Like Rifle) Then to the esteemed Mr. Yee that saw the broadcast.

[MaestroPrep]

Thanks for the info... I'm a bit concerned because I am 2 days into a 10 day wait for an AR..

Will I be arrested for walking out of the gun shop on July 12th??

[serjm1a1]

It's "Filipina"...Who said anything about being racist? Gun owners have the commonality that unlike the sheep out there, we realized one important thing- the State cannot protect you when the STHF. The state is in fact doing what it can so that you are unprotected. None of this stops people from getting killed - well, perhaps the dirt bag that breaks into your house trying to get your things. It merely looks like they are anti-crime to be antigun. I guess in the 39 years I've lived I can't find a better time than now to finally concede that MOST of our species are morons, that simply feel their way through life rather than thinking. (Thinking as a Hobby - William Golding. recommended reading!)

Adam Keigwin @akeigwin

Racists can't stop #SB249 in committee, bill approved 4-2

http://sd08.senate.ca.gov/news/2012-07-03-committee-approves-bill-close-assault-weapon-loophole

click link

[P.Charm]

Thanks for the info... I'm a bit concerned because I am 2 days into a 10 day wait for an AR..

Will I be arrested for walking out of the gun shop on July 12th??

doubtful.

[IPSICK]

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I take my hat off , to those who were responsible for getting the sheep to accept the BB as a firearm not capable of accepting a detachable magazine...that was better than anything Houdini ever accomplished.

Read the CCR definitions. A BB'd rifle does not have a detachable magazine as defined. It can accept a separate magazine but once the magazine is attached to the BB'd rifle it is NOT a detachable magazine. It's not magic or illusion, it is the regulations as written.

[beastie050]

Thanks for the info... I'm a bit concerned because I am 2 days into a 10 day wait for an AR..

Will I be arrested for walking out of the gun shop on July 12th??

of course not

[XD40SUBBIE]

Thanks for the info... I'm a bit concerned because I am 2 days into a 10 day wait for an AR..

Will I be arrested for walking out of the gun shop on July 12th??

The short answer is no. At least not yet. The bill, if it becomes law is not effective until 7/2013. IF the Mayans are correct, we won't have to worry about it, right.

[CaliforniaLiberal]

Thanks for the info... I'm a bit concerned because I am 2 days into a 10 day wait for an AR..

Will I be arrested for walking out of the gun shop on July 12th??

Present text of the bill is that it takes effect July 2013.

Also, it has no power or effect until passed by both Houses of the Legislature and is signed into law by the Governor.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/guide.html#Appendix_A

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=161873

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/bilinfo.html

[P.Charm]

Thanks for the info... I'm a bit concerned because I am 2 days into a 10 day wait for an AR..

Will I be arrested for walking out of the gun shop on July 12th??

and only if you have a mag magnet on your bullet button, I believe.

[shadowofnight]

Read the CCR definitions. A BB'd rifle does not have a detachable magazine as defined. It can accept a separate magazine but once the magazine is attached to the BB'd rifle it is NOT a detachable magazine. It's not magic or illusion, it is the regulations as written.

I have many times, and agree with you.

That still doesnt change the fact that you can detach a magazine , and reinsert a fully loaded magazine in seconds using common items everybody has access to.

I know whats defined, but that magazine still detaches and reattaches with ease.