Statistics information on crimes surrounding firearm dealers

[stix213]

The Sunnyvale report was done *by* the Sunnyvale Planning Commission. It was instrumental in proving the case to the City Council that there was no correlation between crime increases and gun shops.

Andy (if I remember correctly) from the Planning Commssion actually did a pretty good job on it and keeping it objective.

I think part of the reason was because us gun owners put a lot of pressure on them during public meetings. They had to keep things on the level cause they knew a lot of people were watching this one.

[CocoTiTs]

OP - could you either send me a PM or an email at joshua[DOT]berger[at]calgunsfdn[DOT]org with details of your application, please?

The Calguns Foundation is interested in denials of applications.

Thanks.

I'm sorry I don't know what OP is but are you asking me ?
I haven't been denied yet but it will be if city council doesn't work out.

[fizux]

Original Poster

[mud99]

I'm seriously concerned that you are considering becoming an FFL without being an active participant on this board.

California gun laws are very complex with severe penalties including jail sentences for violating them.

Do not ask LEO for advice. Most of them don't know anything about gun laws, especially the ones which affect you as a dealer.

[CocoTiTs]

I appreciate that. I read as much as I can. But yes I am relatively new the the scene. This is a dream of mine that I have just started researching since late April. All the help n support is recommended n supported by myself.

[45acpfan]

What city are you applying in?

[CocoTiTs]

Pittsburg

[wildhawker]

Coco, to restate, please keep me and Josh informed of progress and issues. Do consider engaging counsel as the process can be something of a [legal, political, and PR] minefield - especially in the Bay Area/CoCoCounty.

-Brandon

[jrwhitt]

We could do with some new FFL's out here in the far reaches of CoCo County so please listen to Brandon and Josh - they won't guide you wrong.

[wjc]

I think part of the reason was because us gun owners put a lot of pressure on them during public meetings. They had to keep things on the level cause they knew a lot of people were watching this one.

Well...yeah!

One Hundred plus gun owners at a city council meeting can kinda have that effect.

[CocoTiTs]

Brandon an josh thank you! Along with everyone else too. I really had no idea calguns was this helpful. I will Definately keep updates. Where should I post the updates is this the right section? And I have a NRA dinner on the 16th in Antioch. I hope to meet more supporters and learn more there.

@jrwhitt- yes I completely agree. Being that there is NO indoor fireing range in the contra costa county definately raises flags to me. Why? And what is the reason behind this.

I spoke to the chief of police of Pittsburg Arron Baker and he did not support the idea of a dealer and was totally against a future indoor range. I tried to explain that I do not believe that a dealer nor a shooting range should bring a negative atmosphere to the community because the fact we deal with firearms. Firearms should not have a "evil" associated with them and that I am against that mindset. He assured me that he did not believe that. He "carries a firearm with him everyday." I feel like he does not want to push any pro gun views maybe because of peers or the idea that more work may come of this desire of mine. It's frustrating to hear a chief sound anti-gun.

My ultimate goal is to get this business of the ground. I can't afford a new shop in a new location. Which is more where is pushed me to believe is my only option. I actually only want to start as a by appointment only. So I can learn an get client base.

[CocoTiTs]

The NRA dinner last night was a success. I met quite a few people that also will stand behind us at the city council meeting. I will be contacting one of them who will hook me up with someone who can help guide me through my process. I will say between everyone here and some of the people I met last night we Definately have a chance. I will update more as more details come to light. Here are done pictures.

[Librarian]

The last time this idea got any progress at all was 1999, when Canyon Sports wanted to build a range when they relocated to Howe Road.

See http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...10/MN14964.DTL

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/e/a/1999/09/12/METRO5286.dtl&ao=all

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1999/09/17/MNR4CO2.DTL

Contra Costa Times has a few articles in their archive, behind a paywall; those seem about the same as the sfgate content.

[wash]

I think part of the reason was because us gun owners put a lot of pressure on them during public meetings. They had to keep things on the level cause they knew a lot of people were watching this one.

Actually, that's 100% wrong.

Sunnyvale didn't care until a bunch of soccer moms raised a stink and then it became a study issue.

They actually had some common sense but the combination of soccer moms and two ~anti gun council members made them do the study issue.

As hard as they tried (and they did try hard), they could not find correlation between FFL dealers and crime.

They still recommended a ridiculous school and daycare zone and special conditional use permits with safety checks by the police department.

It was the 100+ civil rights activists that forced the council to not add unconstitutional zoning requirements for FFL businesses.

In the end, Sunnyvale was rational, not friendly toward us.

[jdberger]

Brandon an josh thank you! Along with everyone else too. I really had no idea calguns was this helpful. I will Definately keep updates. Where should I post the updates is this the right section? And I have a NRA dinner on the 16th in Antioch. I hope to meet more supporters and learn more there.

@jrwhitt- yes I completely agree. Being that there is NO indoor fireing range in the contra costa county definately raises flags to me. Why? And what is the reason behind this.

I spoke to the chief of police of Pittsburg Arron Baker and he did not support the idea of a dealer and was totally against a future indoor range. I tried to explain that I do not believe that a dealer nor a shooting range should bring a negative atmosphere to the community because the fact we deal with firearms. Firearms should not have a "evil" associated with them and that I am against that mindset. He assured me that he did not believe that. He "carries a firearm with him everyday." I feel like he does not want to push any pro gun views maybe because of peers or the idea that more work may come of this desire of mine. It's frustrating to hear a chief sound anti-gun.

My ultimate goal is to get this business of the ground. I can't afford a new shop in a new location. Which is more where is pushed me to believe is my only option. I actually only want to start as a by appointment only. So I can learn an get client base.

Post updates here, please.