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  • #1
    fizux
    Senior Member
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Apr 2012
    • 1540

    First Unitarian v. NSA (Privacy & Gun Registry)

    First Unitarian Church of L.A., et al. v. NSA, et al.
    Issue: Lawfulness of Patriot Act, privacy, 1A, illegal fed gun registry.

    Current Status as of 11/24/2013: Plaintiff's Motion for Summary Adjudication / Partial Summary Judgment regarding Telephone Program is pending, hearing set for 2/7/2014.

    11/15/2013-11/18/2013 - Various Amici Curiae motions filed.
    11/6/2013 - Plaintiff's MSA - Telephone Program Unlawful.
    10/9/2013 - Defendant's Motion to Stay Denied.
    9/10/2013 - First Amended Complaint filed.
    7/16/2013 - Complaint (attached).

    Trial Court: N.D. Cal.
    Case No.: 3:13-cv-03287
    Docket: http://ia601802.us.archive.org/21/it...20.docket.html


    News Article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3605104.html

    Similar case from District of D.C.: Klayman v. Obama, 13-0851-RJL.
    12/16/2013 opinion holding NSA program unlawful.
    Attached Files
    Last edited by fizux; 12-16-2013, 9:01 PM. Reason: Added complaint
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    • #2
      Sutcliffe
      Calguns Addict
      • Mar 2003
      • 6792
      Of course they have an illegal gun registry

      Everything having to do with the Bill Of Rights seems to be open to their interpretation.

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        • #3
          taperxz
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Feb 2010
          • 19395
          The government will ultimately win this case.

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            • #4
              speedrrracer
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2011
              • 3355
              Sick 'em!

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                • #5
                  anthonyca
                  Calguns Addict
                  • May 2008
                  • 6316
                  Calguns Foundation Mentioned on the Radio for Working With Other Civil Rights Groups

                  Just listening to the radio while making a parts list for a job. CGF was mentioned in the news flash on KGO as working with the Electronic Frontier Foundation against illegal government surveillance.

                  We are a civil rights group and this is how we get ahead. Great job.
                  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Union...70812799700206

                  Originally posted by Wherryj
                  I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?

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                    • #6
                      Rossi357
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 1229
                      Apparently the Government has decided that it's for my own good to give up some of my rights in order to be more secure.
                      They neglected to ask me about that.
                      NO!!!

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                        • #7
                          IVC
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 17639
                          Time for the political center and center-left to wake up to whom they helped elect.
                          sigpicNRA Benefactor Member

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                            • #8
                              Mitch
                              Mostly Harmless
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 6580
                              Originally posted by Rossi357
                              Apparently the Government has decided that it's for my own good to give up some of my rights in order to be more secure.
                              They neglected to ask me about that.
                              NO!!!
                              Actually they did. Pretty much all the NSA "abuses" exposed by Snowden were duly authorized by Federal legislation including the USA PATRIOT Act, which was passed by the House on a 357 to 66 vote; and by 98 to 1 in the Senate.

                              Everyone seemed to be all in favor at the time, except the sponsors of the Benjamin Franklin True Patriot Act, the spoilsports.
                              Originally posted by cockedandglocked
                              Getting called a DOJ shill has become a rite of passage around here. I've certainly been called that more than once - I've even seen Kes get called that. I haven't seen Red-O get called that yet, which is very suspicious to me, and means he's probably a DOJ shill.

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                                • #9
                                  stix213
                                  AKA: Joe Censored
                                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                                  • Apr 2009
                                  • 19002
                                  Originally posted by Mitch
                                  Actually they did. Pretty much all the NSA "abuses" exposed by Snowden were duly authorized by Federal legislation including the USA PATRIOT Act, which was passed by the House on a 357 to 66 vote; and by 98 to 1 in the Senate.

                                  Everyone seemed to be all in favor at the time, except the sponsors of the Benjamin Franklin True Patriot Act, the spoilsports.
                                  To be fair, the members of Congress who voted for the legislation likely didn't understand the role of the FISA court was to just rubber stamp anything and everything the government wants. If the FISA court worked as intended, and wasn't just there to come up with some legal sounding way to approve everything while pretending the Bill of Rights has been rescinded, then the legislation wouldn't have ended up being nearly as bad as it has.

                                  Protecting Privacy Through Stronger Procurement Policy: How Maine Could Pioneer a Better Approach to Technology Procurement 
                                  http://epic.org/privacy/wiretap/stats/fisa_stats.html
                                  The state’s aging population combined with its privacy-minded yet technology-forward philosophy makes it uniquely situated to address procurement oversight.

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                                    • #10
                                      Mitch
                                      Mostly Harmless
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                                      • Mar 2008
                                      • 6580
                                      Originally posted by stix213
                                      To be fair, the members of Congress who voted for the legislation likely didn't understand the role of the FISA court was to just rubber stamp anything and everything the government wants.
                                      Not enough of a rubber stamp for the Bush Administration, which dispensed with the FISA court and operated outside of the law for most of the last decade. I don't recall much outrage around here when this was exposed by the New York Times in December 2005.

                                      Remember what Pogo said?
                                      Originally posted by cockedandglocked
                                      Getting called a DOJ shill has become a rite of passage around here. I've certainly been called that more than once - I've even seen Kes get called that. I haven't seen Red-O get called that yet, which is very suspicious to me, and means he's probably a DOJ shill.

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                                        • #11
                                          Kodemonkey
                                          • Jun 2010
                                          • 2904
                                          Wow, no comment on the strange bedfellows CGF and ACLU make?

                                          Although I don't find it strange personally, there used to be such vitriol for the ACLU on this board I find the silence deafening.

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                                            • #12
                                              fizux
                                              Senior Member
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                                              • Apr 2012
                                              • 1540
                                              Originally posted by Kodemonkey
                                              Wow, no comment on the strange bedfellows CGF and ACLU make?

                                              Although I don't find it strange personally, there used to be such vitriol for the ACLU on this board I find the silence deafening.
                                              From the PuffHost article, I surmised that it was two different lawsuits; ACLU last month, and CGF threw in with EFF today.

                                              I tried to find the complaint, but it looks like it is not up in ECF; I will keep checking PACER and update the OP accordingly.
                                              Nationwide Master List of Current 2A Cases, courtesy of Al Norris @ TFL.

                                              Reloading Clubs: SF, East Bay

                                              Case Status: (Handgun Roster). SF v. 44Mag (Mag Parts Kits). Bauer v. Harris (DROS Fees). Davis v. LA (CCW policy). Jackson v. SF (Ammo/Storage). Teixeira (FFL Zoning). First Unitarian v. NSA (Privacy). Silvester (Waiting Period). Schoepf (DROS Delay). Haynie (AW ban). SFVPOA v. SF (10+ mag possession ban). Bear in Public: Drake (3CA); Moore (7CA); Richards, Peruta, McKay (9CA).

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                                                • #13
                                                  wildhawker
                                                  I need a LIFE!!
                                                  • Nov 2008
                                                  • 14150
                                                  Originally posted by fizux
                                                  From the PuffHost article, I surmised that it was two different lawsuits; ACLU last month, and CGF threw in with EFF today.

                                                  I tried to find the complaint, but it looks like it is not up in ECF; I will keep checking PACER and update the OP accordingly.
                                                  See https://www.eff.org/node/75009.

                                                  -Brandon
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                                                  My comments are not the official position or a statement of any organization unless stated otherwise. My comments are not legal advice; if you want or need legal advice, hire a lawyer.

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                                                    • #14
                                                      bwiese
                                                      I need a LIFE!!
                                                      • Oct 2005
                                                      • 27621
                                                      Originally posted by Kodemonkey
                                                      Wow, no comment on the strange bedfellows CGF and ACLU make?

                                                      Although I don't find it strange personally, there used to be such vitriol for the
                                                      ACLU on this board I find the silence deafening.
                                                      CGF is much more practically nuanced than many board posters here. CGF understands that civil rights are at least somewhat tied together. [Other nonanalytical gunnies can't get the idea that Roe v Wade actually helps gun rights, etc.]

                                                      The vitriol is really just from the far right goons who don't care about women, gays, or even other-than-gun rights (i.e, "kill'em'all-let-god-sort-em-out" copsucker types who don't see a need for the 4th Amendment.)

                                                      As Gene Hoffman says, "The left hates guns, but the right hates rights."

                                                      Remember many 'police state' encroachments came from "law & order" statist Reeps. (Patriot Act!) That just gets magnified by Dems who like to populate such infrastructures with staff that vote for benefits.

                                                      And this is from someone (me) who is a bit hard-line on certain conservative matter that tie in with liberty.
                                                      Last edited by bwiese; 07-16-2013, 4:54 PM.

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                                                        • #15
                                                          fizux
                                                          Senior Member
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                                                          • Apr 2012
                                                          • 1540
                                                          Originally posted by wildhawker
                                                          See https://www.eff.org/node/75009.

                                                          -Brandon
                                                          Thanks, Wildhawker. Its always better to have the straight scoop rather than relying on RumInt from the HP.
                                                          Nationwide Master List of Current 2A Cases, courtesy of Al Norris @ TFL.

                                                          Reloading Clubs: SF, East Bay

                                                          Case Status: (Handgun Roster). SF v. 44Mag (Mag Parts Kits). Bauer v. Harris (DROS Fees). Davis v. LA (CCW policy). Jackson v. SF (Ammo/Storage). Teixeira (FFL Zoning). First Unitarian v. NSA (Privacy). Silvester (Waiting Period). Schoepf (DROS Delay). Haynie (AW ban). SFVPOA v. SF (10+ mag possession ban). Bear in Public: Drake (3CA); Moore (7CA); Richards, Peruta, McKay (9CA).

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