MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[Clif]

30515 has been modified by the new PC.
The definitions are in the (not yet adopted) DOJ CCR, but the statement that a fixed magazine is required is the basis of the amendment to the PC, that is not from the DOJ.

Incorrect. 30515(a)(1)-(6) have been modified by new terminology of "fixed magazine." 30515(a)(7) has not been, it keep the old terminology of "detachable magazine". There is now no definition in PC (that I can find) for "detachable magazine, which is listed as prohibited, but not defined.

[Clif]

Not talking about shotguns.

Holy $hi+! That is what i have been talking about the past 3 pages! What do you mean not talking about shotguns?!?

[meno377]

I can detach a shotgun magazine with a tool (hacksaw) and reattach it with a tool (arc welder). Is that an AW?

Are you disassembling the action?

[Clif]

That's 'strange', because 'detachable magazine' has been defined in the regs since the year 2000 and it seemed to work well.

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They were also defined in PC, which is where DOJ got the definition, which the PC now changed! And no longer defines!

[Cokebottle]

Holy $hi+! That is what i have been talking about the past 3 pages! What do you mean not talking about shotguns?!?

When I jumped in you were talking about barrel shrouds and pistols

[Sousuke]

They were also defined in PC, which is where DOJ got the definition, which the PC now changed! And no longer defines!

Yeah the legislature struck it through. Basically there is no such thing as a detachable magazine within the PC for center fire firearms. The new term is "not fixed".

[Virginian]

Are you disassembling the action?

No, I have to disassemble the magazine, not the action.

[Clif]

So then I do not need to register my shotgun with BBs? Because they are not AW according to the new laws.

[Clif]

When I jumped in you were talking about barrel shrouds and pistols

And a page and a half before that I was asking about Shotgun BBs because according to PC, they are not redefined along with rifles and pistols.

[bigdawg86]

[Clif]

Yeah the legislature struck it through. Basically there is no such thing as a detachable magazine within the PC for center fire firearms. The new term is "not fixed".

Then how can this be "no such thing"?

30515 (a) (7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.

[ifilef]

detachable magazine.

I want to know what a DETACHABLE magazine is. The PC doesn't list it. For it to be prohibited, it has to be in PC and defined in PC. CalDOJ cannot define, only adopt and relist definitions in PC.

What is your authority for the phrase in bold, above? Are you making it up or is it wishful thinking?

Please cite the authority that detachable magazine has to be defined in the PC. It apparently had only been defined in the regulations for the past 16 years.

[meno377]

No, I have to disassemble the magazine, not the action.

If the magazine if permanently welded or attached that you have to break apart using a hacksaw, it wouldn't be considered a detachable magazine.

[Clif]

What is your authority for the phrase in bold, above? Are you making it up or is it wishful thinking?

Please cite the authority that detachable magazine has to be defined in the PC. It apparently had only been defined in the regulations for the past 16 years.

If it is not defined in PC, then according to CalDOJ it is not eligible for RAW. According to CalDOJ, a BB is NOT a detachable magazine.

Hince, according to 30515 (a) (7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, my BB shotguns would not be eligible for registration.

[ifilef]

Incorrect. 30515(a)(1)-(6) have been modified by new terminology of "fixed magazine." 30515(a)(7) has not been, it keep the old terminology of "detachable magazine". There is now no definition in PC (that I can find) for "detachable magazine, which is listed as prohibited, but not defined.

Was there EVER a definition of detachable magazine in the PC?

11 CCR 5469 has defined it since the year 2000.

The original SB23 only mentions detachable magazine without defining it. I don't see where it was defined other than in that regulation cited above.

"12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:

A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
A thumbhole stock.
A folding or telescoping stock.
A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
A flash suppressor.
A forward pistol grip.

A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.

A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.

A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.

The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
A folding or telescoping stock.
A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.

Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
"Assault weapon" does not include any antique firearm.
The following definitions shall apply under this section:
"Magazine" shall mean any ammunition feeding device.
"Capacity to accept more than 10 rounds" shall mean capable of accommodating more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include a feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
"Antique firearm" means any firearm manufactured prior to January 1, 1899.
This section shall become operative January 1, 2000."

Source: https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/genchar2