MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[ifilef]

Ok. so if a BB isn't a detachable magazine and 30515 only prohibits semi auto w/ detachable mags, how can the DOJ require registration for them?

30515 and 30900 bar BB after 1/1/2017, unless you register as AW by end of this year.

It is the only banned category (eff. 1/1/2017) that can be registered. It can be registered because lawful to possess prior to being designated as an AW, just like the prior registration periods.

In a rush, gtg.

[meno377]

it says without disassembly of the action OR use of a tool.

BB needs a tool.

Without disassembly of the action- you can't readily remove a BB without its tool. Disassembly may not be relevant, especially the latter part OR use of a tool would take it out of the definition of a detachable magazine.

Absolutely not. Again look below: Explain how if you were to take "without disassembly of the firearm action" and add the word with would not define it as a detachable magazine?

Detachable magazine means any ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm without disassembly of the firearm action or use of a tool

Detachable magazine means any ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm without disassembly of the firearm action or with use of a tool

Even without adding the word "with" if you stick to the word "or" it means either or: One way OR the other.

Answer yes or no, please- SACF featured weapons with standard mag release existing prior to 1/1/2017 and as far back as 2001 are not eligible to be registered because unlawful to possess at the time.

This is true. BB up until 2017 defined an AR15 with a fixed magazine. That has changed. In 2017 BB no longer defines an AR15 with a fixed magazine. I am not including the new updated maglocks in this discussion. In the simplest way to explain: The original bullet button "loophole" has expired 1/1/2017. And you are given a grace period to register a bullet button AR.

[meno377]

30515 and 30900 bar BB after 1/1/2017, unless you register as AW by end of this year.

It is the only banned category (eff. 1/1/2017) that can be registered. It can be registered because lawful to possess prior to being designated as an AW, just like the prior registration periods.

In a rush, gtg.

That is not true. If it was only by banned features, every single AR sold with a BB prior to 2017 would have been an illegal sale.

[CreamyFettucini]

30515 and 30900 bar BB after 1/1/2017, unless you register as AW by end of this year.

It is the only banned category (eff. 1/1/2017) that can be registered. It can be registered because lawful to possess prior to being designated as an AW, just like the prior registration periods.

In a rush, gtg.

No they ban assault weapons. And a bullet buttoned shotgun does not meet the definition of an AW set in 30515. Seriously, this one is far more cut and dry then the whole standard mag release swap theory.

[dieselpower]

Of course I disagree. But following your reasoning one might as well just switch over to the mag release because BB + magnet button attached is equivalent to a standard magazine release in the eyes of the law and the DOJ.

Good luck.

No it is not the same because switchjing to a normal mag release takes away the BB. Now please tell me what you have been saying for the past 3 months about why a BB AW is legal in 2017, something about being legal in 2016.

[Drew Eckhardt]

30515 and 30900 bar BB after 1/1/2017, unless you register as AW by end of this year.

It is the only banned category (eff. 1/1/2017) that can be registered. It can be registered because lawful to possess prior to being designated as an AW, just like the prior registration periods.

Rifles without 30515(a)(1) features measuring over 30" with muzzle appliance screwed on but 26"-30" without can also be registered because they were legal to possess last year before DOJ redefined "overall length of less than 30 inches"

They're not "Featureless" under 11 CCR 5471(o) and therefore unregisterable because that says

"Featureless" means a semiautomatic firearm (rifle, pistol, or shotgun) lacking the characteristics listed in Penal Code section 30515

with length under 30 inches a characteristic

(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.

enumerated as PC 30515(a)(3).

That'll make some bullpup owners less unhappy.

[Drew Eckhardt]

This is true. BB up until 2017 defined an AR15 with a fixed magazine.

To be pedantic, BB defined an AR15 without "the capacity to accept a detachable magazine."

That seemingly meaningless distinction is why unregistered featureless bullet buttoned pistols will remain legal after the registration period closes, and why we can revert to free state magazine releases when a court confirms 11 CCR 5477 is invalid.

[dieselpower]

To be pedantic, BB defined an AR15 without "the capacity to accept a detachable magazine."

That seemingly meaningless distinction is why unregistered featureless bullet buttoned pistols will remain legal after the registration period closes, and why we can revert to free state magazine releases when a court confirms 11 CCR 5477 is invalid.

even without a magazine, the firearm lacked the ability to detach a magazine without a tool

people still dont get that

[dieselpower]

I love how when ifilef figures out he might be wrong, he stops posting for a bit, then comes back to say the same stuff we just showed him was wrong.

[lrdchivalry]

I love how when ifilef figures out he might be wrong, he stops posting for a bit, then comes back to say the same stuff we just showed him was wrong.

LMAO

[Clif]

To be pedantic, BB defined an AR15 without "the capacity to accept a detachable magazine."

That seemingly meaningless distinction is why unregistered featureless bullet buttoned pistols will remain legal after the registration period closes, and why we can revert to free state magazine releases when a court confirms 11 CCR 5477 is invalid.

It is impossible for an AR pistol to be "featurless". An AR Pistol will always have a barrel shroud (handguards), which is one of the evil features listed, therefore, it will always have features.

30515 (4) (c)

(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.

[meno377]

It is impossible for an AR pistol to be "featurless". An AR Pistol will always have a barrel shroud (handguards), which is one of the evil features listed, therefore, it will always have features.

Well technically yes but you could convert it to a rifle under the law. Then it can be featureless under the current law with the features removed that make a rifle an AW. But what is the point? LOL

[Clif]

Well technically yes but you could convert it to a rifle under the law. Then it can be featureless under the current law with the features removed that make a rifle an AW. But what is the point? LOL

got it.

Like putting a a stock on a Glock, as long as you put on a 16" barrel.

[meno377]

got it.

Like putting a a stock on a Glock, as long as you put on a 16" barrel.

Oh yes.

[jj805]

Actually, It doesn't really have to have a handguard. It would be ugly, but it doesn't need it to function.