Carrying illegally

[ChuckDizzle]

One is a God given and constitutionaly enumerated right, the other is not.

That said, I don't carry illegally and I read so much about knife laws and peperspray that I know that most people carrying a knife of peperspray are breaking some law or ordinance in this state.

For all the people who carry a knife, how many hours a week do you train with knife experts? If you have never done it, you need to. You will be humbled when he takes your knife from you.

God has nothing to do with it, and is absolutely useless in a discussion of legalities.

[vintagearms]

Unless you frequently put yourself in harms way, are a hothead, and or hang out in seedy bars, your chances are extremely low that you would need to carry ccw illegally. I also suggest pepper spray, a knife or a taser.

[anthonyca]

God has nothing to do with it, and is absolutely useless in a discussion of legalities.

Read the Declaration of Independence. Your creator, God is a euphemism for "creator". Your rights come from your being a free human, at least that is what the founding fathers believed.

We are so far off base with "legalities" that most people have lost respect for the law.

[71MUSTY]

I would vote to acquit anyone who used an illegally concealed weapon for reasonable self defense of all charges related to the incident.

Problem is people like you don't end up on the jury.

[71MUSTY]

A responsible firearm owner must do things according to the law, or you will ruin it for everyone else. It's hard enough to keep the media from trash talking guns constantly as it is. Last thing we need is legal owners breaking the law and screwing it up. One news story like that could push things over the edge...! Use your brain man!

well said

[glockman19]

Today in CA it is illegal to Open Carry a loaded firearm. It is also illegal to Conceal Carry, (unless you have a permit)...
IMHO, in CA ALL forms of carry being unavailable is unconstitutional, therefore making your CHOICE of carry Concealed...permit or not.
I do think that if you were caught, AFTER being denied a permit would be more defensible, as you can NOT deny a Constitutional Right...especially when that right is specifically written to LIMIT government.

[anthonyca]

Oh c'mon.....one can disarm a person with a gun as well.

I never said someone can't disarm a person with a gun.

A gun is so much easier to use than a knife. The gun is the great equalizer, a 90lb woman with the right mindset and some training and practice can have a good chance against anyone if there is enough distance. Even if she is tackled, if she can get to the gun, she could have a chance unless she is just knocked out. It depends on what the thug wants, rape, murder, beating, robbery, they are all different.

Have you ever trained with a knife expert? It is very humbling. He may get cut, but he WILL take your knife from you.

Most thugs prey on the weak and are not physically gifted or well trained. Sometimes there is one who knows what he is doing. My point is that a knife is not as easy to use as people think. Where do you attack? How? How do you take a knife from someone?

Being proficient with a knife takes years. My definition of proficient is probably different than the average person though.

A knife is better than nothing in most instances, unless you come up against someone who knows how to take it away. Hint, many Filipinos are great at this. I am not Filipino but I learn from them, this is their culture.

After all that, a knife is no gun. Nothing else is as good as a gun when your life is on the line. Nothing else has the equalization factor.

[ChuckDizzle]

Read the Declaration of Independence. Your creator, God is a euphemism for "creator". Your rights come from your being a free human, at least that is what the founding fathers believed.

We are so far off base with "legalities" that most people have lost respect for the law.

Declaration of Independence has zero to do with what is legal or not in the U.S.

The Declaration of Independence was a propaganda piece declaring war, it has nothing to do with the laws in place today and never will.

This is why our democracy is in trouble.

[anthonyca]

Declaration of Independence has zero to do with what is legal or not in the U.S.

The Declaration of Independence was a propaganda piece declaring war, it has nothing to do with the laws in place today and never will.

This is why our democracy is in trouble.

Someone mentioned the difference between speeding and the 2nd amendment. I gave an answer.

The Declaration of Independence is an insight into how our founders thought. Read the Federalist papers and their other non official writings.

We are not a democracy.

[MrTokarev]

God has nothing to do with it, and is absolutely useless in a discussion of legalities.

"God given" right or "natural" right. You knew what he meant. Picking at his choice of words doesn't add to the discussion.

My two cents to the OP; I recommend against breaking the law but I would also never rat you out or vote to convict you.

Keep in mind that the jury would likely be cherry picked to avoid you having any pro 2A folk in it.

[evidens83]

Why carry illegally? Just walk in, fill out some paperwork, get your photo taken, and pay the $50. I got my CPL license in 2 weeks

[anthonyca]

Unless you frequently put yourself in harms way, are a hothead, and or hang out in seedy bars, your chances are extremely low that you would need to carry ccw illegally. I also suggest pepper spray, a knife or a taser.

Some of us have jobs where we have to go to the work. Tow truck drivers, HVAC techs, plumbers, you get the picture.

I have been in some crazy bad places at some strange hours. I don't drink and haven't been to a seedy bar in over 10 years. The worst places I have ever been have been for work.

Every once in a while, actually more often than that, the thugs come to a nice area. After all, that is where the money is.

Of course I could get a different job. I think I know how to handle myself. I have not had problems even the few times I have worked in some areas that most people think only exist in movies, but the odds are that one day it will happen.

I posted a story about my father almost being beaten to death and getting shot for helping a cop who was being beaten by a perp. My dad was a pretty good boxer and was well known in his day and his cousin trained some world contenders. I can bet that that he was in better shape and could fight better than 99% of people out there. After that happened I asked him what would have helped him out of that, he didn't say a cop, a knife, pepper spray. He said a gun.

[MrTokarev]

Unless you frequently put yourself in harms way, are a hothead, and or hang out in seedy bars, your chances are extremely low that you would need to carry ccw illegally. I also suggest pepper spray, a knife or a taser.

This is the same logic that's used to prevent people from getting their CCW in California in the first place.

[SanPedroShooter]

Comparing a speeding to ticket to illegally carrying concealed is two totally different things. Comparing apples and monkeys.

Guess what, everyone reading this is some type of 'criminal' in california. My point was, don't throw that word from a glass house.

It actually is a poor comparison because if I carry without a permit I hurt no one and possibly provide a societal benefit, when I speed I may be endangering others.

Let me just head another argument off, how is peacefully carrying a concealed firearm endangering anyone?

[ChuckDizzle]

Someone mentioned the difference between speeding and the 2nd amendment. I gave an answer.

The Declaration of Independence is an insight into how our founders thought. Read the Federalist papers and their other non official writings.

We are not a democracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

Yes, we most certainly live in a democracy, no matter how badly your Republican Party desires want you to say it isn't true. We have a representative republic style of democracy, but nevertheless it is still a democracy.

Stop name dropping the federalist papers like you have actually read them and understand them in correct context. I have actually read them and understand them in the correct context, this took many hours of my life and a significant investment in the form of student loans.

Legislative intent is, and always will take a back seat to the clear letter of the law. I suggest you read McDonald v. Chicago in its entirety. This will serve three purposes, you will be up to speed on the most recent developments of constitutional law regarding the 2nd Amendment, you will notice the conspicuous absence of any factoring of a deity in the court's reasoning, and third you will begin to understand the problem with citing legislative intent in regards to SCOTUS reasoning on constitutional issues.

The Bill of Rights is something made up by a bunch men, God had nothing to do with it. In fact, we know the guys who wrote it. If they were God given rights then why did it take God something like a million years for them to finally be bestowed and written down? Then again the kings in Europe who would have never let their people speak freely, or exercise their own religion also claimed to have mandate from God.