Carrying illegally

[Wallabing]

Lets say that even under the Insurmountable fear of getting arrested, spending jail time for a significant amount of time, and having their life ruined...

Lets say that the person in question makes the ultimate decision to carry illegally anyway, not because he is a lowlife thug, nor a drug dealer, pimp etc...
But because at the end of the day he decided that he wanted to be alive and have the ability to continue seeing and being with his family.

How are we to judge him? Treat and think of him no better than a gangbanger down the street carrying a gun? Lash out at him and single him out, disavow him from society regardless of his morals and personality and simply throw him and rot in jail? By doing this we have become no better than the liberals.

And from what I can see, we will all sit here and do nothing and let it happen.

What purpose is our lives if we cant even defend it? Live day to day with the thought that we could one day be beaten and killed, and have our loved ones lives be taken from us and do nothing about it? How is that freedom in America?

It bears me that we exist in a world where we live at the mercy of evil people, stupid people, and jealous people who down the line dont care about anyone but themselves and their moral ego.

[Gryff]

How we judge him is irrelevant. It is how the Courts judge him, and how he accepts the ramifications if he is caught. Don't do illegal **** if you are going to whine and moan if you are caught.

[El Toro]

If youre considering it dont. It is a misdemeanor for the first offense but you will never get a license after that first offense. The second is a felony and you lose your guns for life. In both cases you will probably be lucky to not get shot by LE, will spend lots of money defending yourself and you may risk seeing the inside of a jail.

Take some self defense classes and learn how to spot and avoid trouble as well as how to be psychologically prepared to deal with a life threatening situation. Get over to the Legal To Carry forum and find out how to get the ball rolling.

[hunterb]

I understand and share your sentiment.

But you must also remember: If you get caught carrying illegally, they will use it to vilify you, to ruin your life, to MAKE YOU INTO A CRIMINAL.

Because you see, we live in THE BIGGEST POLICE STATE IN THE WORLD. The prisons must be kept full to keep the corporations that own them in the profits. The corporations legally own our political system through unlimited campaign contributions. Anything that threatens them will be crushed by the government jackboots (police, DEA, ATF, FBI, NSA, etc).

Keep your feelings secret, and wait for the correct time for action. Play their little bureaucratic game, and stay off the radar.

[Okami]

This!
Well said Sir!

I understand and share your sentiment.

But you must also remember: If you get caught carrying illegally, they will use it to vilify you, to ruin your life, to MAKE YOU INTO A CRIMINAL.

Because you see, we live in THE BIGGEST POLICE STATE IN THE WORLD. The prisons must be kept full to keep the corporations that own them in the profits. The corporations legally own our political system through unlimited campaign contributions. Anything that threatens them will be crushed by the government jackboots (police, DEA, ATF, FBI, NSA, etc).

Keep your feelings secret, and wait for the correct time for action. Play their little bureaucratic game, and stay off the radar.

[HighLander51]

How are we to judge him? .

We, no not we, the police and the courts. They will treat him just like the criminal he is.

[jgstorm]

I understand and share your sentiment.

But you must also remember: If you get caught carrying illegally, they will use it to vilify you, to ruin your life, to MAKE YOU INTO A CRIMINAL.

Because you see, we live in THE BIGGEST POLICE STATE IN THE WORLD. The prisons must be kept full to keep the corporations that own them in the profits. The corporations legally own our political system through unlimited campaign contributions. Anything that threatens them will be crushed by the government jackboots (police, DEA, ATF, FBI, NSA, etc).

Keep your feelings secret, and wait for the correct time for action. Play their little bureaucratic game, and stay off the radar.

I completely agree with you. But I have spoken with LEOs from time to time (mostly from riding motorcycles and friends) but they all have told me that if I were to tell the officer up front that I have something they wouldn't care. I am also told by some that you might consider not saying anything. If you are simply speeding they are not going to search your car. But if you are swerving be prepared to get out and preform a DUI check. Still with all of that said I am going to wait for my CCW and not chance anything.

[Jester3]

Sad

I understand and share your sentiment.

But you must also remember: If you get caught carrying illegally, they will use it to vilify you, to ruin your life, to MAKE YOU INTO A CRIMINAL.

Because you see, we live in THE BIGGEST POLICE STATE IN THE WORLD. The prisons must be kept full to keep the corporations that own them in the profits. The corporations legally own our political system through unlimited campaign contributions. Anything that threatens them will be crushed by the government jackboots (police, DEA, ATF, FBI, NSA, etc).

Keep your feelings secret, and wait for the correct time for action. Play their little bureaucratic game, and stay off the radar.

Sad as it is, it is the law, like it or not, no reason to ruin your future.
Move to Arizona, when I go back home I grin ear to ear seeing people open carry, does my heart GOOD......

[ConcealedKalifornia]

I would be really interested to see a case where a guy carrying illegally stops some sort of obvious and undeniable mass shooting...

It would be interesting to watch how both sides handle it in the media...

[Quiet]

I would be really interested to see a case where a guy carrying illegally stops some sort of obvious and undeniable mass shooting...

It would be interesting to watch how both sides handle it in the media...

There have been instances in the past involving variations of this type of scenario.

One of which happen in NYC in 1984.
1. Person illegally conceal carrying stopped robbery on subway by shooting the four criminals committing the robbery.
2. Was arrested and jailed.
3. Charged with attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and illegal concealed carry of an unregistered firearm.
4. Was only found guilty of illegal concealed carry of an unregistered firearm.
5. Sentenced to 1 year in prison.
6. Criminals he shot filed civil lawsuit and won. They were awarded $43 million in damages.

[Corsair415]

I would vote to acquit anyone who used an illegally concealed weapon for reasonable self defense of all charges related to the incident.

[sohappy]

There have been instances in the past involving variations of this type of scenario.

One of which happen in NYC in 1984.
1. Person illegally conceal carrying stopped robbery on subway by shooting the four criminals committing the robbery.
2. Was arrested and jailed.
3. Charged with attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and illegal concealed carry of an unregistered firearm.
4. Was only found guilty of illegal concealed carry of an unregistered firearm.
5. Sentenced to 1 year in prison.
6. Criminals he shot filed civil lawsuit and won. They were awarded $43 million in damages.

Ouch!

[RickD427]

If youre considering it dont. It is a misdemeanor for the first offense but you will never get a license after that first offense. The second is a felony and you lose your guns for life. In both cases you will probably be lucky to not get shot by LE, will spend lots of money defending yourself and you may risk seeing the inside of a jail.

Take some self defense classes and learn how to spot and avoid trouble as well as how to be psychologically prepared to deal with a life threatening situation. Get over to the Legal To Carry forum and find out how to get the ball rolling.

El Toro,

We should also clarify that a first offense is a felony if the weapon is not registered to the offender. It's only a misdemeanor is the weapon is registered to the offender.

[hunterb]

There have been instances in the past involving variations of this type of scenario.

One of which happen in NYC in 1984.
1. Person illegally conceal carrying stopped robbery on subway by shooting the four criminals committing the robbery.
2. Was arrested and jailed.
3. Charged with attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and illegal concealed carry of an unregistered firearm.
4. Was only found guilty of illegal concealed carry of an unregistered firearm.
5. Sentenced to 1 year in prison.
6. Criminals he shot filed civil lawsuit and won. They were awarded $43 million in damages.

Bernhard Goetz? I remember my dad all up in arms about this.

Back then NYC was a cesspool of crime, this guy stood up for himself and was punished accordingly by the NYC Fascists.

New York makes California look like a free state....almost....

[bodger]

I completely agree with you. But I have spoken with LEOs from time to time (mostly from riding motorcycles and friends) but they all have told me that if I were to tell the officer up front that I have something they wouldn't care. I am also told by some that you might consider not saying anything. If you are simply speeding they are not going to search your car. But if you are swerving be prepared to get out and preform a DUI check. Still with all of that said I am going to wait for my CCW and not chance anything.

I believe you, but I cannot imagine having contact with LAPD, telling them up front that I am carrying concealed, answering "no" when they ask if I have an LTC, and not getting proned out and locked up. They would "care" and I'd be in deep s**t.