Carrying illegally

[Jester3]

Crazy

There have been instances in the past involving variations of this type of scenario.

One of which happen in NYC in 1984.
1. Person illegally conceal carrying stopped robbery on subway by shooting the four criminals committing the robbery.
2. Was arrested and jailed.
3. Charged with attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and illegal concealed carry of an unregistered firearm.
4. Was only found guilty of illegal concealed carry of an unregistered firearm.
5. Sentenced to 1 year in prison.
6. Criminals he shot filed civil lawsuit and won. They were awarded $43 million in damages.

This case made me sick. What he did was defend the victims and himself, was sent to jail for doing the right thing in the wrong state.
Will our justice system EVER get it right?
I KNOW, we have to follow the laws, but can't we be sensible?

[omgwtfbbq]

Well I don't know exactly the purpose of this thread.

I don't think you can make much of a case that "we" as the gun owning community judge or "lash out" against people who illegally carry. I suppose probably because if they are illegally carrying and it's concealed, how the hell are we to know about it. Well, unless they get caught doing something else they probably shouldn't while they are carrying.

I believe in constitutional carry, so as far as I'm concerned, the fact that you are a citizen of the US is good cause enough to carry a weapon to protect yourself or your family. That beings said, we don't live in a society that shares these valued and regardless of the philosophical disagreement we have over the issue, it doesn't change the real-world consequences to making a decision that falls outside the law. There are plenty of laws that individuals do not agree with, but disagreement does not in and of itself make the law and the repercussions any less real.

[SJgunguy24]

We, no not we, the police and the courts. They will treat him just like the criminal he is.

You know some people don't really have much of a choice, well either carry or be killed. If the only law they break is illegally carrying a gun, and the reason is threats upon their life and the fact they don't live in the nicest of neighborhoods.
I wouldn't consider that person a criminal. I would consider that person a victim of the overbering nanny state that refuses the law abiding citizens their natural right to self defense.

[SanPedroShooter]

We, no not we, the police and the courts. They will treat him just like the criminal he is.

lol wut? Did you break the speed limit today?

Get a grip man.

[jaymz]

I personally don't have a problem with an otherwise law-abiding citizen carrying without a permit. But it doesn't matter what I think. It depends on the cop that finds out that you don't have a permit. Your chances are usually around 50/50 that you won't be cuffed and stuffed.

[FourTenJaeger]

Good luck defending yourself with a 2 inch folder while 3 thugs with pistols rob you and rape your wife.

[ToxicWaste]

I used to carry concealed and loaded in my vehicle, but I have a few misdemeanors, and If caught doing anything again, I will be in serious trouble. do not want to go to prison! I know many who carry concealed for their own protection, which seems necessary, but I want to stay out of the legal system, so I leave the weapons at home in the safe.

[junior40er]

I personally do not consider a law abiding citizen who carries without license a bad person. Its a right we should have that is forcefully deprived from us as human beings.

[junior40er]

I personally don't have a problem with an otherwise law-abiding citizen carrying without a permit. But it doesn't matter what I think. It depends on the cop that finds out that you don't have a permit. Your chances are usually around 50/50 that you won't be cuffed and stuffed.

I would bet its almost 100 percent youre screwed if caught. Even a pro 2a LEO will arrest you because he may lose his job if he lets you go.

[TeddyBallgame]

I would vote to acquit anyone who used an illegally concealed weapon for reasonable self defense of all charges related to the incident.

not that I would ever get the chance to be on such a jury, but, I would not vote to convict ANY law abiding citizen, who happened to get busted trying to protect themselves

I won't convict someone due to a law I don't believe is just...that's just me

I doubt I'd ever get a seating on such a case

[Jason95357]

Throwing another twist to this - what if the person had applied for a CCW and was denied for lack of "good cause," and then decided to carry anyway? I'd say you should at least try to get a CCW, even if you know the chances are 99.99% that you will be denied - at least you tried to carry legal.

If someone did that and I was on the jury for that trial, I would seriously consider jury nullification.

[PlumDrumnGun]

A responsible firearm owner must do things according to the law, or you will ruin it for everyone else. It's hard enough to keep the media from trash talking guns constantly as it is. Last thing we need is legal owners breaking the law and screwing it up. One news story like that could push things over the edge...! Use your brain man!

[FourTenJaeger]

A responsible firearm owner must do things according to the law, or you will ruin it for everyone else. It's hard enough to keep the media from trash talking guns constantly as it is. Last thing we need is legal owners breaking the law and screwing it up. One news story like that could push things over the edge...! Use your brain man!

You must hand in all of your firearms that are black, hold more than one round, or can be fired without manipulation of the action.

Give them in, because if not, you'll screw it up for us when we get this law overturned in 20 years.

[Aidenpeacemaker]

[QUOTE=El Toro;13718447]If youre considering it dont. It is a misdemeanor for the first offense but you will never get a license after that first offense. Not true..i been approved for my license..

[Gryff]

I would be really interested to see a case where a guy carrying illegally stops some sort of obvious and undeniable mass shooting...

Well, it wasn't a mass shooting, but the guy was carrying illegally.

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