Carrying illegally

[ChuckDizzle]

"God given" right or "natural" right. You knew what he meant. Picking at his choice of words doesn't add to the discussion.

The premise that you can carry around a gun simply because you think God has given you that right not only doesn't add to the discussion, it detracts from it.

But hey, if you want to continuing losing ground to the people who want to ban firearms because you willingly portray yourself as an irrational backwoods Bible thumping hillbilly, by all means continue to make yourself an easy target.

[SanPedroShooter]

All men have the natural, or god given right to self defense and self determination.

[ja308]

The founders believed that govt cannot give rights ! If govt is the source of rights they are not rights but privedges that can revoked by those in power !

Driving is a perfect example ! It's not your right to drive a car, but a privilege granted to you by the state . It can be revoked quite easily too .

Compare that with the language of American rights ! ...endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights....!

I agree that the only permit required is US citisenship .

[chainsaw]

...endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights....!

I agree that the only permit required is US citisenship .

How about atheists who claim that neither god nor a creator exists?

How about permanent residents with a green card?

Using your logic, they don't need have gun rights (although the religious US citizen might, out of the goodness of their hearts, grant them such right) ? Do you want that to be the result of your argument ?

[phase1]

We, no not we, the police and the courts. They will treat him just like the criminal he is.

looks like judging to me

[phase1]

Today in CA it is illegal to Open Carry a loaded firearm. It is also illegal to Conceal Carry, (unless you have a permit)...
IMHO, in CA ALL forms of carry being unavailable is unconstitutional, therefore making your CHOICE of carry Concealed...permit or not.
I do think that if you were caught, AFTER being denied a permit would be more defensible, as you can NOT deny a Constitutional Right...especially when that right is specifically written to LIMIT government.

i like this one

[phase1]

Why carry illegally? Just walk in, fill out some paperwork, get your photo taken, and pay the $50. I got my CPL license in 2 weeks

i wish it was that easy

[pastureofmuppets]

Compare that with the language of American rights ! ...endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights....!

I agree that the only permit required is US citisenship .

So... only U.S Citizens were endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights?

That's a lot of arrogance and ignorance twisted together and a very deliberate omission of the words "all men are created equal" to get there.





Back on topic... I believe what you are talking about is someone who has moved from law abiding citizen to peaceable citizen.


Not for me to judge unless I catch jury duty. Certainly not the person I would worry about - I worry about are the criminals using them as offensive weapons. Hence I would like to see concealed and open carry as constitutional carry further down the road we are traveling.

[Ninask]

I have wondered for a long time what are the consequences of having CCW,
there must be many, are there any downsides that any official knows you are carrying?
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6
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[ElDub1950]

I have wondered for a long time what are the consequences of having CCW,
there must be many, are there any downsides that any official knows you are carrying?

I can't think of any consequences at all.

You have a few additional requirements, like keeping up with changes in the law and ensuring you know the few places where carrying is forbidden, and a few additional responsibilities, like maintaining your skill set.

You could play tin-foil-hat conspiracy theory what-if games .. what if the gov't did this or that and probably imagine some consequences if you wanted to. But, absent those fantasies I don't know of any.

[Sharp Shooter]

I would vote to acquit anyone who used an illegally concealed weapon for reasonable self defense of all charges related to the incident.

[zhyla]

I'm way more likely to get jailed for illegal carrying than actually drawing. I'm probably more likely to die from catching hepatitis in jail than being beaten/killed. The smart money is on following the laws.

[Garand1911]

A man is a criminal for carrying a gun illegally, when he has a Non-criminal intent, self protection?
The letter of the law says yes, spirit of the law could say no.

I know a guy who claims to have carried illegal for 15 years, because he has no criminal intent.
I know another guy who bought his wife a CCW gun to carry illegally, he says its easier to get her out of jail, than out of the morgue.
I met another older guy who dealt in legal ivory products and lots of cash, was pulled over in SD, cop sees the gun on the floor. He explained his situation, and cop tells him to put it in the trunk.
I know an LAPD guy who has let people go for carrying illegally in their car, he says they have no record and are not scum bags, so they deserve self protection.
Years ago, there was a news story about a woman sitting in her car, criminal scum bag throws a rope around her neck and pulls her from the car, dragging her down the road. She was able to get her pistol and shoot the guy, i think she did not kill him. The LA pos DA was debating filing charges against her for carrying illegally.


and NO, i have never carried illegally.

[Corsair415]

I disagree with the law as much as you do. However as a juror you can't ignore the laws that you don't agree with. In fact jurors take an oath to among other things follow the law. The oath usually goes something like this:

I would be following the law, only I'd be following the one that supercedes the one they'd like me to.

[Quiet]

A man is a criminal for carrying a gun illegally, when he has a Non-criminal intent, self protection?
The letter of the law says yes, spirit of the law could say no.

I know a guy who claims to have carried illegal for 15 years, because he has no criminal intent.
I know another guy who bought his wife a CCW gun to carry illegally, he says its easier to get her out of jail, than out of the morgue.
I met another older guy who dealt in legal ivory products and lots of cash, was pulled over in SD, cop sees the gun on the floor. He explained his situation, and cop tells him to put it in the trunk.
I know an LAPD guy who has let people go for carrying illegally in their car, he says they have no record and are not scum bags, so they deserve self protection.
Years ago, there was a news story about a woman sitting in her car, criminal scum bag throws a rope around her neck and pulls her from the car, dragging her down the road. She was able to get her pistol and shoot the guy, i think she did not kill him. The LA pos DA was debating filing charges against her for carrying illegally.


and NO, i have never carried illegally.

I have had two friends that were arrested for carrying illegally.

One of them, upon hearing stories that cops will just let law abiding citizens go with a warning, carried on a regular basis. One day, he got caught by Orange County Sheriff's Department. He admitted to it and they arrested/jailed him. He was charged with four misdemeanors. He ended up pleading no contest to two misdemeanors (conceal carry without permit and loaded firearm in public), paid a $900 fine and was given 5 years probation, during which he could not possess firearms/ammunition (he had to sell all his firearms to comply with this).

The other one, was moving and forgot that one of the boxes had his dad's loaded handgun. Riverside County Sheriff's Department pulled him over for "reckless driving" and searched his car. They found the loaded handgun and arrested/jailed him. He was charged with two felonies. He ended up retaining a lawyer and after $15,000 in legal fees, plead no contest to one misdemeanor (loaded firearm in public) and was give 5 years probation, during which he could not possess firearms/ammunition (all his firearms were gifted to his dad).