No Firearms Allowed in Safeway

[coverme2]

How will they enforce it and how will they ensure there are no firearms being walked in there? TSA-like procedures for the stores? It's a sign no bad guy or those with LTC/CCW will honor.

[xrMike]

What Safeway don't know or see won't hurt 'em...

Besides, if they ever see you carrying, you aren't doing it right!

The worst that can happen is they ask you to leave.

[sfbay]

That is funny.

Too bad you can't put a, "major league door kicker" sticker next to it...

U know the one that's red, white, blue and has a dude with an AR kicking the door.

Lol

[JeremyKX]

What he heck is Safeway?

I think Safeway's Socal equivalent is Von's.

Correct. If you go into Vons, you'll notice the store-brand products have the safeway logo.

[a1c]

No such sign at my local Safeway.

[acorn]

NO FIREARMS ALLOWED! we prefer to kill you slowly with our toxic foods like soda, chips, candy and hydrogenated oils. WELCOME

[NOTARPilot]

Getting real sick of every Californian town becoming a carbon copy where family dining is Chipotle and more cheap Chinese product is pushed.

I love Chpotle.

[medicdude]

Concealed means concealed. Many hospitals are also posting these signs now. Because criminals obey signs.

[decepticon6551]

F Safeway. I haven't set foot in one of those stores since last summer & make sure all my friends, family, and coworkers aware of their policies.

Here's my favorite quote from the original thread:

That may be the best answer. Here's what I sent to Safeway this afternoon:

At your Safeway store at ... in San Jose, I saw new signs on the doors that read "No Firearms Allowed."

I work as a ... instructor and ... manager. I professionally observe that posting such signs creates new risks for your employees, contractors and customers.

Criminals (who unlawfully carry firearms) are emboldened in breaking the law in your premises because they no longer have to fear that a law-abiding person might be armed within.

The thought process of a criminal is somewhat like this -- "No Guns... really? that means I don't have to afraid of my robbery being interrupted? I can do whatever I want? Cool!"

This means more robberies, longer duration robberies, the increased possibility of "takeover" robberies and hostage scenarios, and last but not least, an escalation from taking of goods and property to inflicting violence on customers and employees.

For the last several years, I have been involved in training both armed and unarmed employees to survive armed robbery scenarios. The new risk created by declaring a "Guns Free Zone" is very real. Consider that retail clerks and security officers are among the top ten professions at risk for being the victims of homicide on the job, typically in connection with a botched robbery. I know of a local case in Fremont where a completely compliant cashier was shot "accidentally" by a robber. Fortunately, he survived.

CAL-OSHA's own guidelines for preventing late-night retail store violence (link below) recommend "Removing clutter, obstructions and signs from the windows so that an unobstructed view of the store counter and/or cash register exists." They do NOT recommend posting any signage with respect to firearms, or setting policies regarding firearms in the store.

A day before I observed this sign, an armed robbery took place at a nearby store in San Jose. "Crews" of armed robbers commit crimes against retail stores, especially those which are open late at night and near freeways -- and the ... location is both.

Does your sign also apply to armored car crews and armed security officers carrying in compliance with California state law? Does your sign apply to those who have been issued a concealed weapons permit by a local law enforcement agency? Does your sign apply to on-duty and off-duty peace officers?

Posting "we're disarmed" signage is a horribly misguided and dangerous policy and I am asking that your corporate security management carefully consider and then rescind it.

In the meantime, I will not expose myself to greater risks by shopping at Safeway stores until this dangerous policy is corrected. Note that as I do not have a concealed weapons permit, I do not carry firearms except in line of duty -- but I am not interested in serving as a bullet trap for a hardened criminal either.

You are within your legal rights as a company to post such signage. I am within my rights as a consumer to shop elsewhere, and to warn others for their own safety to do the same.

Thank you.

References:

http://www.dir.ca.gov/dosh/dosh_publications/worksecurity.html

http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/work_hom.pdf

http://ifpo.org/articlebank/death_by_homicide.html

[tdyoung1958]

Concealed means concealed.

yep . . . besides the most they can do is ask you to leave

[bergmen]

No such sign at my local Safeway.

None at ours either (Ukiah).

Dan

[JoshuaS]

I think Safeway's Socal equivalent is Von's.

Yep. Safeway is actually more common in NorCAl and outside of California

Safeway, Vons, Pavillions, Carrs-Safeway, Dominick's, Pak'n'Save, Randall's, Tom Thumb, are all owned by one company, Safeway.

In Southern California and southern Nevada are the two bolded. California only is underlined. Safeway is Nor Cal, Wyoming, DC, Arizona, Colorado, Nevada (northern part only), Delaware, Hawaii, Oregon, Virginia, Washington, Idaho, Maryland, Montana, Nebraska and South Dakota, IIRC.

The other ones are various other states (Randalls and Tom Thumb are Texas, e.g.)

[delta9]

No such signs at San Francisco Safeway stores. Must just be a San Jose thing in response to all the SJPD layoffs

[SB1964]

If I see that at my local Vons, I may start carrying. What a joke! "gun free safe zone" really?

[fvrr]

Cool, this means that store will never get robbed at gun point!

From my phone using my fingers.