Front Sight?

[Sturnovik]

I'm showing the GF's this so she may do a lifetime membership as the xmas present . I'm definetly wanting to try front sight starting next year! Lifetime membership or not!

I'm thinking of giving these guys a try to, http://www.tftt.com/TFTT_Home.html. One or two courses, around 200 or so per course, cant hurt to get a little stuff on the side too!

Any of you guys tried TFTT? I got a pm from a calgunner who had good things to say about them, they look reasonable, and I dont think these are the "grey ops" guys people were mentioning before?

[AAShooter]

Grey Group is here: http://store.greygrouptraining.com/CHINO-c-339/

[AAShooter]

Here is another candidate is Tactical Response: http://www.tacticalresponse.com/course.php?courseID=73

I have heard good things about them and they have a class in Sacramento.

[johnny_boy02]

I am also in Nor-Cal and have been looking at classes.

I think frontsight would be a fun trip sInce I am in Vegas once a year anyway. The cost seems a bit high though.

[locosway]

Do you know for a fact that Front Sight doesn't have trainers from Delta Force, Navy Seals, Marine Recon or Army Special Forces, and even if there are none, does that make their training not "real training"? Do you think the "doctor" teaches all the classes there?

I wonder how the "Team Sargeant" is sure the training is lacking if he hasn't seen it for himself.

I am a lifetime member but only because I got it for what a one day firearms training would've cot me. I have never been to any class there so I don't know if their classes are any good. My point is don't bash them if you haven't seen their stuff. I fully intend to find out for myself when I go there for some training.

Their top range masters (people who teach) are not any of those people. When I was there one of them was a LEO at one time in his life. The guys are good shots, but their training is dated, and some of the things they teach are dangerous.

[Sturnovik]

What do they teach that is dangerous?......

[locosway]

What do they teach that is dangerous?......

Cupping your hand over the ejection port and rotating the firearm to catch the round in your weak/support hand. This is dangerous as the ejector can strike the primer and cause the round to detonate, which will damage your hand.

Glock goes over this in their classes and tells people to NOT do this, but FS being the hero they are still teaches it.

[RandyD]

One of my friends is a former Navy SEAL with 10 years in the Teams, and he instructs at FS. He values his Diamond Membership. I was his attorney in his divorce and the wife wanted his the Diamond Membership, but we fought for it. He recently sold me a Diamond Membership at his cost $125.00 for saving his membership. I plan on attending a 4 day pistol course before the year is out. I spent 8 1/2 years in Marine Recon and was the high shooter in my police academy, so I'll report on my personal experiences after I complete the course.

[Sturnovik]

Well I'm definitely going to try the sacramento TFTT for fun. Its local, 200 bucks and should be good. I'm going for the fs membership as well!

[Bert Gamble]

I am headed down there for my 4th time this year. I am taking my daughter who I bought a membership for.

The first time I went, I had only shot a few hundred rounds and I knew nothing about guns or gun safety.

I was very nervous when I was looking to buy a membership because of the crazy marketing that is done. It just screams "Going out of business", but I was pleasantly surprised when I got there. Even the nutty chiropractor Scientologist was a normal person when seen on video (as opposed to the print advertising). If he advertised like he is in the FS video, I think he would get even more business.

I liked it so much that I bought additional memberships for my family and a good friend.

I do not have training from any other school, but I can guarentee that you will come away a better shooter if you take a class there.

I shot Graduate on my second try in the handgun class, so now I can go to one of the more advanced classes after I attend the low level class with each family member.

I also attended the 4 day shotgun class with a friend. That was a lot of fun, and I now know that I can use a 12 guage tactical shotgun for home defense, even if it was a hostage situation.

When my friend and I went, he was skeptical. I told him he had no risk, and that the membership was a gift. He had been shooting shotguns and hunting all of his life and didn't think he could learn anything.

After the first day of class, he insisted on paying me for the membership. He also bought dinner every night to say thank you for taking him. This guy is not easily impressed.

The only downside is how far you have to drive from the hotel, but that shouldn't deter you.

Good luck and hope to see you there.

I bought my membership for $500 and it is the best money I have ever spent

[AAShooter]

Cupping your hand over the ejection port and rotating the firearm to catch the round in your weak/support hand. This is dangerous as the ejector can strike the primer and cause the round to detonate, which will damage your hand.

Glock goes over this in their classes and tells people to NOT do this, but FS being the hero they are still teaches it.

If you don't let the slide go forward the ejector is not a problem. If the technique is done as taught, it isn't a problem. But I agree, it is probably safer to let if fall to the ground. The fact of the matter is this is a very rare occurrence and I don't think has ever happened at FS.

One consideration is whether there is more risk in catching the round in your support hand or having everyone on the line bending over to recover their ammo.

[call-in]

Cupping your hand over the ejection port and rotating the firearm to catch the round in your weak/support hand. This is dangerous as the ejector can strike the primer and cause the round to detonate, which will damage your hand.

Glock goes over this in their classes and tells people to NOT do this, but FS being the hero they are still teaches it.

In my tactical shotgun class (not front sight) taught by active duty police instructors, they said that in their years of teaching, they have seen some (centerfire pistol) rounds go off when they hit the ground. I admit I don't have percentage data of rounds going off because it fell to the ground nor do I for rounds going off because of this cupping method, and until I do, I (personally) will reserve my judgement of the two methods.

[AAShooter]

In my tactical shotgun class (not front sight) taught by active duty police instructors, they said that in their years of teaching, they have seen some (centerfire pistol) rounds go off when they hit the ground. I admit I don't have percentage data of rounds going off because it fell to the ground nor do I for rounds going off because of this cupping method, and until I do, I (personally) will reserve my judgement of the two methods.

I have seen several rounds detonate when hitting the ground. Although there may be some shrapnel from the case, it is pretty uneventful. I would certainly rather risk that than having an open breech detonation in my cupped hand. Both are rare.

[locosway]

If you don't let the slide go forward the ejector is not a problem. If the technique is done as taught, it isn't a problem. But I agree, it is probably safer to let if fall to the ground. The fact of the matter is this is a very rare occurrence and I don't think has ever happened at FS.

One consideration is whether there is more risk in catching the round in your support hand or having everyone on the line bending over to recover their ammo.

Like they say there, just leave the rounds on the ground. I'd only pickup my rounds if there wasn't all those trigger happy students on the line ready to shoot me in the head.

In my tactical shotgun class (not front sight) taught by active duty police instructors, they said that in their years of teaching, they have seen some (centerfire pistol) rounds go off when they hit the ground. I admit I don't have percentage data of rounds going off because it fell to the ground nor do I for rounds going off because of this cupping method, and until I do, I (personally) will reserve my judgement of the two methods.

I've never seen someone get ejected out of the windshield of their car from a crash either, but I still wear my seat belt. There are incidents on the internet of the ejector striking the primer and the round going off while someone was cupping the ejection port. His hand was injured. Glock, the largest supplier of pistols to LE in the US has also had reports of this happening, and this is why they specifically tell people who take their classes NOT to do it.

For an explosion to do damage it has to be confined. A round going off on the ground near your feet won't hurt you, and you probably won't even know it happened unless you were paying attention to it.

I have seen several rounds detonate when hitting the ground. Although there may be some shrapnel from the case, it is pretty uneventful. I would certainly rather risk that than having an open breech detonation in my cupped hand. Both are rare.

Exactly.

[AAShooter]

. . . There are incidents on the internet of the ejector striking the primer and the round going off while someone was cupping the ejection port. His hand was injured. . .

As I recall there was one of the big USPSA competitors that had this happen and did some permanent damage to his support hand. I don't recall who.