Front Sight?

[Sturnovik]

Any of you guys been to it in recent years? I've been thinking about doing a pistol course, I dont know to many things local though. I'm thinking about paying for Front Sight since I just keep hearing good things about it, but it is alot of money (I'm sure its worth it though).

I heard about stone cobra tactical but haven't heard much lately or actually seen there website online. I'd like to go beyond basics since I've been shooting a while and saw some courses but alot are out of state.

Any recommendations?

Oh I'm in Norcal.

[call-in]

I see some PMs headed your way in the near future.

[Clee]

Use your money wisely. We are living in the best time ever for firearm training. Never has the public had access to some many trainers with real world experience, in other words, guys who have participated in two way gun ranges. With so many trainers coming from Delta Force, Navy Seals, Marine Recon or Army Special Forces I question why anyone would ever get their training from a chiropractor/scientologist. Since you are in Nor Cal anyways, you'll have to travel to Front Sight. Why not travel somewhere to get real training from real trainers. Or you can check the training section for training classes closer to home.

This comes from the Green Beret that founded ProfessionalSoldiers.com (a forum for Green Berets) regarding FS:

It has come to my attention that some marketing genius has decided to link the term Professionalsoldiers.com & Professionalsoldiers.org with the "Frontsight Training Institute". After a few web searches on Professionalsoldiers.com or Professionalsoldiers.org more than one website is displaying "Front Sight Firearms Training Institute" ads.

Just an FYI concerning the "Front Sight Firearms Training Institute", I would not send the Taliban there for weapons training.

Professionalsoldiers.com does NOT endorse the Front Sight Firearms Training Institute, their training, or anything they do.

I've read some of their literature and find it lacking and I’m sure their training is also lacking.

Doing some further web searching the owner sounds like a raging lunatic.

Again, Professionalsoldiers.com Professionalsoldiers.org Professionalsoldiers.net or Professionalsoldiers.us has absolutely nothing to do with Front Sight Firearms Training Institute nor do we/I endorse their training.

Team Sergeant


Grey Group in the past has brought Larry Vickers, Kyle Defoor, Tigerswan, Dave Harrington, Mike Pannone among others to CA. I'd spend my money there.

If you want to travel go look up CSAT, or Spartan Tactical both are in Texas.

[call-in]

Use your money wisely. We are living in the best time ever for firearm training. Never has the public had access to some many trainers with real world experience, in other words, guys who have participated in two way gun ranges. With so many trainers coming from Delta Force, Navy Seals, Marine Recon or Army Special Forces I question why anyone would ever get their training from a chiropractor/scientologist. Since you are in Nor Cal anyways, you'll have to travel to Front Sight. Why not travel somewhere to get real training from real trainers. Or you can check the training section for training classes closer to home.

This comes from the Green Beret that founded ProfessionalSoldiers.com (a forum for Green Berets) regarding FS:




Grey Group in the past has brought Larry Vickers, Kyle Defoor, Tigerswan, Dave Harrington, Mike Pannone among others to CA. I'd spend my money there.

If you want to travel go look up CSAT, or Spartan Tactical both are in Texas.

Do you know for a fact that Front Sight doesn't have trainers from Delta Force, Navy Seals, Marine Recon or Army Special Forces, and even if there are none, does that make their training not "real training"? Do you think the "doctor" teaches all the classes there?

I wonder how the "Team Sargeant" is sure the training is lacking if he hasn't seen it for himself.

I am a lifetime member but only because I got it for what a one day firearms training would've cot me. I have never been to any class there so I don't know if their classes are any good. My point is don't bash them if you haven't seen their stuff. I fully intend to find out for myself when I go there for some training.

[Sturnovik]

Do you know for a fact that Front Sight doesn't have trainers from Delta Force, Navy Seals, Marine Recon or Army Special Forces, and even if there are none, does that make their training not "real training"? Do you think the "doctor" teaches all the classes there?

I wonder how the "Team Sargeant" is sure the training is lacking if he hasn't seen it for himself.

I am a lifetime member but only because I got it for what a one day firearms training would've cot me. I have never been to any class there so I don't know if their classes are any good. My point is don't bash them if you haven't seen their stuff. I fully intend to find out for myself when I go there for some training.

I was going to say I've heard there's a lot of ex Military and LEO's and security organizations there. I'm not sure how accurate that article is. I see nothing wrong with that, and I've heard good things but I'm just asking experiences and if there is stuff closer and or possibly cheaper.

I've heard good things about Front Sight. Its just a bit of a drive for me personally and the price is kinda a lot for me at the moment.

[barrym66]

Any of you guys been to it in recent years? I've been thinking about doing a pistol course, I dont know to many things local though. I'm thinking about paying for Front Sight since I just keep hearing good things about it, but it is alot of money (I'm sure its worth it though).

I heard about stone cobra tactical but haven't heard much lately or actually seen there website online. I'd like to go beyond basics since I've been shooting a while and saw some courses but alot are out of state.

Any recommendations?

Oh I'm in Norcal.

My wife and I have been to FS five times in the last two years. There are TONS of reviews and comments here if you do a search, so rather than repeat what I (and others) have had to say for the umpteenth time, do a quick search.

The training is great (for the price) and ideal for new or casual shooters. It's not 'the end all be all' and I have no doubt there are many other programs that are better - but not for $100 to $300, the price you'll pay for a 2 or 4 day class certificate you can buy on Ebay and elsewhere.

Oh...and of the 7 friends and acquaintances I have sent to FS on certs, five bought memberships and have gone at least once, most went back for another class.

And yes, we all can't stand the owner's hype and "this is your final chance!" style, but the training is far better than the marketing program.

[mikeinla]

I have talked to several people that have taken classes and have had nothing but good things to say about the training they received. The only complaint was the hotels are 30 minutes away from class and you need to be at class at 6:30 AM sharp. I will attend a class in the next couple of months when my work schedule is slower

[Sturnovik]

My wife and I have been to FS five times in the last two years. There are TONS of reviews and comments here if you do a search, so rather than repeat what I (and others) have had to say for the umpteenth time, do a quick search.

The training is great (for the price) and ideal for new or casual shooters. It's not 'the end all be all' and I have no doubt there are many other programs that are better - but not for $100 to $300, the price you'll pay for a 2 or 4 day class certificate you can buy on Ebay and elsewhere.

Oh...and of the 7 friends and acquaintances I have sent to FS on certs, five bought memberships and have gone at least once, most went back for another class.

And yes, we all can't stand the owner's hype and "this is your final chance!" style, but the training is far better than the marketing program.

Yea I did a search, I heard they did some recent additions to the courses or something of that nature so I wanted to hear if you guys had been to it in the last 6 months or so.

Im leaning toward it sufficed to say.

[barrym66]

Yea I did a search, I heard they did some recent additions to the courses or something of that nature so I wanted to hear if you guys had been to it in the last 6 months or so.

Im leaning toward it sufficed to say.

My last class was in May, but a buddy just came back from a class two weeks ago. They have real restrooms and an on-site lunch truck now, in addition to the lunch delivery service and porta-potties they have always had. And six or so new ranges.

The facility has been growing rapidly over the last 4-5 years. About 400-450 people are there each and every week. Impressive.

[AAShooter]

. . . why anyone would ever get their training from a chiropractor/scientologist. . . .

I hate to tell you but you won't be getting training at FS from a chiropractor/scientologist. He hasn't taught classes is a while. Further, before you so quickly dismiss him, he is a 4-weapons Combat Master so I suspect many of us could learn something from the man.

Finally, there are a lot of "ex-leo/ex-military" shooters that scare the hell out of me. So I would encourage you to worry less about stereotypes and more about the skills that can be learned.

[Sturnovik]

I hate to tell you but you won't be getting training at FS from a chiropractor/scientologist. He hasn't taught classes is a while. Further, before you so quickly dismiss him, he is a 4-weapons Combat Master so I suspect many of us could learn something from the man.

Finally, there are a lot of "ex-leo/ex-military" shooters that scare the hell out of me. So I would encourage you to worry less about stereotypes and more about the skills that can be learned.

Well said.

[Sturnovik]

barrym66- Awesome pics, looks like a good training place and fun!

[ThatsJustBadTaste]

The training is great (for the price) and ideal for new or casual shooters. It's not 'the end all be all' and I have no doubt there are many other programs that are better - but not for $100 to $300, the price you'll pay for a 2 or 4 day class certificate you can buy on Ebay and elsewhere.

Oh...and of the 7 friends and acquaintances I have sent to FS on certs, five bought memberships and have gone at least once, most went back for another class.

And yes, we all can't stand the owner's hype and "this is your final chance!" style, but the training is far better than the marketing program.

If you plan on going one time its a good deal. But you can find life time memberships for around 750$, which if you plan to go all the is the better route.

[AAShooter]

. . . Grey Group in the past has brought Larry Vickers, Kyle Defoor, Tigerswan, Dave Harrington, Mike Pannone among others to CA. I'd spend my money there. . .

I have taken one class from Grey Group. Although the instructor was very good the logistics for the classes were a complete mess.

The instructor/class started an hour late. When they arrived, the class worked to set up the range. The range was set up with no chairs so you could stand for two solid days or sit on the ground. The night session was held were no restroom was available. The firing line was set up so we were getting peppered with shot from the shotgun fields next store.

So if that is your idea of high quality training, I can see where FS might not measure up.

[barrym66]

I hate to tell you but you won't be getting training at FS from a chiropractor/scientologist. He hasn't taught classes is a while. Further, before you so quickly dismiss him, he is a 4-weapons Combat Master so I suspect many of us could learn something from the man.

Finally, there are a lot of "ex-leo/ex-military" shooters that scare the hell out of me. So I would encourage you to worry less about stereotypes and more about the skills that can be learned.

Most, I think the majority, of the instructors are former military and LEO, and the senior range masters have some serious credentials...including Special Forces background.

In my experience, the best shooters have almost always been civilians. The LEO types (my first class had 8 current SWAT guys from a single agency) were far from being the best. Another class had a new shooter get a DG and won the last day man on man competition. (what can I say, I was DQed and took 2nd when I nicked the hostage ).