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  • #46
    RickD427
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    • Jan 2007
    • 9266

    Simple CCW can also be a FELONY!

    It's important to keep in mind that the simple act of Carrying a Concealed Weapon (12025PC) and Carrying a Loaded Firearm (12031PC) can be charged as a felony, even for a first time offender, if the following conditions are met:

    12025(b)(6) PC - Provides a felony penalty if a firearm is carried concealed, and 1) The weapon is loaded, or there is ammunition immediately accessible to the holder. 2) The weapon is not registered to the person carrying it. Please note that the case of People v Clark defined the term "loaded" to mean that there was a round in a position where it could be fired. The wording of 12025(b)(6) pretty much defeats the application of Clark since it applies to "loaded" (where the term is defined by Clark) and to instances where the ammunition is immediately accessible (not addressed by Clark).

    12031(a)(2)(F) - Provides a felony penalty where a loaded firearm is carried and the firearm is not registered to the person carrying it.

    In both cases the felony penalty is subject to Penal Code section 17(b) (commonly referred to as a "wobbler" offense). The way 17(b) works is that a "wobbler" is a felony, and nothing less than a felony, right up to the moment that it "wobbles" (either the D.A. files it as a misdemeanor, or the judge drops it to a misdemeanor). Then it's a misdemeanor and nothing more than a misdemeanor from that point on. That's an important point to remember, particularly in some firearms intolerant portions of the state. A felony conviction has a lot of impact, including a lifetime disability on firearms possession.
    Last edited by RickD427; 09-15-2010, 4:21 PM.
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    • #47
      Mendo223
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      • Nov 2009
      • 1536

      Originally posted by POLICESTATE
      1. I'm shocked the DA in SF would let him plea bargain this instead of trying to convince the judge on the case to allow a public shaming and then drowning off the wharf.

      2. I'm not sure, but what if he just transfers the gun to a family member? I moves it out of state to store it in Reno or something? Not sure on the legality on that last idea.
      the DA in SF is dropping cases left and right supposedly. even people being arrested on Bait Car, stealing cars on camera are getting their charges dropped.

      also he had no priors, is Irish (not gangbanger type of dude)....and he hired a pretty good lawyer too.

      not sure about the family part, i dont know how close he is to his family.

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      • #48
        XD9JEN
        Veteran Member
        • Jun 2010
        • 4846

        Originally posted by E Pluribus Unum
        If you are carrying a gun that is registered to you, first time offense is an infraction. This would leave you with a misdemeanor charge of carrying loaded in public. This would likely be plead down to loss of the gun, a $250-$500 fine and 30-60 hours community service. No jail... and after 1 year you could get it expunged- no suspension of gun rights.
        I have been told many times that expunged means nothing...there is still a paper trail, it will be found. This is the big one for me.
        Last edited by XD9JEN; 09-15-2010, 3:52 PM.
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        • #49
          POLICESTATE
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          • Apr 2009
          • 18185

          Originally posted by Mendo223
          the DA in SF is dropping cases left and right supposedly. even people being arrested on Bait Car, stealing cars on camera are getting their charges dropped.

          also he had no priors, is Irish (not gangbanger type of dude)....and he hired a pretty good lawyer too.

          not sure about the family part, i dont know how close he is to his family.
          Why? Are they trying to turn SF into a sanctuary for criminals??
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          • #50
            XD9JEN
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            • Jun 2010
            • 4846

            Originally posted by kenshinoro2007
            If you don't like the laws of the state...move. Outright breaking of them and posting that you are going to do so on a public forum that has LE all over it both as members and nonmembers is the definition of stupid and will be used against you if you are ever caught. Get some pepper spray, be aware, and have a gun as close as legally possible.
            Let's just make this clear...I am not breaking any laws
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            • #51
              XD9JEN
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              • Jun 2010
              • 4846

              Originally posted by acolytes
              Just make sure you are proficient with a knife if you choose to carry one, because if it is taken from you in a struggle, now you are in double deep doo doo.
              Thinking knife will be back up plan # 1
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              • #52
                Fozz
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                • Jul 2010
                • 45



                check this out solves the problem of walking at night on campus and personal defense! I bought one for my Girlfriend and Sister!
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                • #53
                  Packy14
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                  • Jul 2008
                  • 5312

                  Originally posted by XD9JEN
                  Let's just make this clear...I am not breaking any laws
                  I am quoting this:

                  "After watching Suzanna Gratia-Hupp's testimony in front of the Texas house of representatives about her parents being murdered right in front of her because she had left her own gun in the car because of Texas CCW laws at the time, I would never ever consider not carrying concealed. I don't care if I go to prison for the rest of my life. I will not allow my family to be murdered in front of me while I sit there and do nothing because some CA law makers say I can't CCW.

                  2-3 years probation versus being murdered or having your loved ones murdered? You have to ne kidding me. Sheeple mindset at its best

                  I don't give a flying f*** what CA says is illegal, I have a right to keep and bear arms and I WILL exercise that right" (professorhard)
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                  • #54
                    XD9JEN
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 4846

                    Originally posted by kenshinoro2007
                    I am quoting this:

                    "After watching Suzanna Gratia-Hupp's testimony in front of the Texas house of representatives about her parents being murdered right in front of her because she had left her own gun in the car because of Texas CCW laws at the time, I would never ever consider not carrying concealed. I don't care if I go to prison for the rest of my life. I will not allow my family to be murdered in front of me while I sit there and do nothing because some CA law makers say I can't CCW.

                    2-3 years probation versus being murdered or having your loved ones murdered? You have to ne kidding me. Sheeple mindset at its best

                    I don't give a flying f*** what CA says is illegal, I have a right to keep and bear arms and I WILL exercise that right" (professorhard)
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                    • #55
                      XD9JEN
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                      • Jun 2010
                      • 4846

                      Originally posted by Fozz
                      http://www.gofastandlight.com/prodin...ZAP&variation=

                      check this out solves the problem of walking at night on campus and personal defense! I bought one for my Girlfriend and Sister!
                      NICE!
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                      • #56
                        Cyc Wid It
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                        • Mar 2009
                        • 4485

                        Originally posted by Mendo223
                        also he had no priors, is Irish (not gangbanger type of dude)....and he hired a pretty good lawyer too.
                        You know, because the Irish are all saints and there's no way a gangbanger could be Irish right?
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                        • #57
                          xxsleepyxx
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 767

                          If you're carrying without a license.. why would you ever be caught? Doesn't a cop have to have a reason to search you in the first place? If you are not doing anything then wouldn't it be illegal to search without consent? Also in mobile situations, if a cop pulls you over for speeding or tinted windows can they still search you?

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                          • #58
                            Cyc Wid It
                            Veteran Member
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 4485

                            Originally posted by xxsleepyxx
                            If you're carrying without a license.. why would you ever be caught? Doesn't a cop have to have a reason to search you in the first place? If you are not doing anything then wouldn't it be illegal to search without consent? Also in mobile situations, if a cop pulls you over for speeding or tinted windows can they still search you?
                            What if you're printing? Or you're involved in some sort of motor accident? Etc.
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                            • #59
                              xxsleepyxx
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                              • Oct 2009
                              • 767

                              Originally posted by Cyc Wid It
                              What if you're printing? Or you're involved in some sort of motor accident? Etc.
                              Something like a Kahr PM9 would not print and even if you're in a motor accident what criminal activity or suspicion would lead them to search you?

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                              • #60
                                The Original Godfather
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                                • Jan 2010
                                • 1261

                                Originally posted by Fozz
                                http://www.gofastandlight.com/prodin...ZAP&variation=

                                check this out solves the problem of walking at night on campus and personal defense! I bought one for my Girlfriend and Sister!
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