Carrying concealed illegally question

[caoboy]

Pepper spray, in most situations will be a better defense than a knife.

Why?

You going to spray someone at 8-10 ft away, and be able to get away? Or let them get within 3ft (max) and stab them, with them most likely getting a glancing blow from the knife if you are lucky, if you are unlucky, that knife will be used against you.


Think of the escalation of force..Pepperspray, then a knife for backup, and if you can get into your car, the locked gun that should only take a few seconds to load.

Options 1/2 are great, because they are easily accessible and quick to use. Option 3, will not realistically be possible in the time it takes to get into the car, unlock the case, load the magazine, rack the slide and target the assailant.

(the 'legal' escalation of force)

A gun, concealed, you will probably only be caught, and never in a situation to actually need it. You also have to think about the repercussions of actually having to use a gun. You WILL be arrested for carrying it concealed, and it'll become a big problem in a little amount of time.

You could also become the posterchild for a statewide shall issue.

CARRY! lol jk (this is not advice, with the except of anything that was completely legal)

[OHOD]

I don't think we feel the same at all, this is not something I take lightly. If I got caught for some odd reason the cops might get a few of my guns but they would never be able to locate all of them. As soon as I got out from the station after arrest I would immediately locate one of my remaining handguns, load it up and strap it on, not even a single thought about not doing it, as I said I'm my first post, I don't give a flying f*** what CA or any other government organization says is illegal, my families lives are worth more to me than any amount of time in prison or my own life. I am their protector and it is the main focus of my life to keep them safe and happy. If they were murdered in front of me and I wasnt able to save them because I was unarmed, I would kill myself.

Makes me wonder what other Ca laws you don't give an F about.
I believe you have the right to make your own decisions. With that said, I hope you accept the cocequences of those decisions.

[XD9JEN]

Pepper spray, in most situations will be a better defense than a knife.

Why?

You going to spray someone at 8-10 ft away, and be able to get away? Or let them get within 3ft (max) and stab them, with them most likely getting a glancing blow from the knife if you are lucky, if you are unlucky, that knife will be used against you.


Think of the escalation of force..Pepperspray, then a knife for backup, and if you can get into your car, the locked gun that should only take a few seconds to load.

Options 1/2 are great, because they are easily accessible and quick to use. Option 3, will not realistically be possible in the time it takes to get into the car, unlock the case, load the magazine, rack the slide and target the assailant.

(the 'legal' escalation of force)

A gun, concealed, you will probably only be caught, and never in a situation to actually need it. You also have to think about the repercussions of actually having to use a gun. You WILL be arrested for carrying it concealed, and it'll become a big problem in a little amount of time.

You could also become the posterchild for a statewide shall issue.

CARRY! lol jk (this is not advice, with the except of anything that was completely legal)

hahahahahahha.....So you are saying take one for the team!

[Cyc Wid It]

I don't think we feel the same at all, this is not something I take lightly. If I got caught for some odd reason the cops might get a few of my guns but they would never be able to locate all of them. As soon as I got out from the station after arrest I would immediately locate one of my remaining handguns, load it up and strap it on, not even a single thought about not doing it, as I said I'm my first post, I don't give a flying f*** what CA or any other government organization says is illegal, my families lives are worth more to me than any amount of time in prison or my own life. I am their protector and it is the main focus of my life to keep them safe and happy. If they were murdered in front of me and I wasnt able to save them because I was unarmed, I would kill myself.

Might be tough to protect them while in prison, no?

[POLICESTATE]

I don't think we feel the same at all, this is not something I take lightly. If I got caught for some odd reason the cops might get a few of my guns but they would never be able to locate all of them. As soon as I got out from the station after arrest I would immediately locate one of my remaining handguns, load it up and strap it on, not even a single thought about not doing it, as I said I'm my first post, I don't give a flying f*** what CA or any other government organization says is illegal, my families lives are worth more to me than any amount of time in prison or my own life. I am their protector and it is the main focus of my life to keep them safe and happy. If they were murdered in front of me and I wasnt able to save them because I was unarmed, I would kill myself.

Yeah you're right, we don't feel the same at all. Many years ago I might have considered bending the law on this subject but what you are suggesting is outright criminality.

If you have such an issue with CA's laws why not either try and actively change them, or move out to a free state?

[audiophil2]

Wow, those are some pretty serious words. Makes me wonder what makes some of us think so strongly about certain issues and others not.

I used to have a similar mindset. Then I realized I cannot prevent bad things from happening to good people. When I started CCWing I felt compelled to always carry thinking the one time I did not carry would be the time I needed it. Then I realized I was living in constant fear and paranoia. Yes, at any given time someone can shoot up a restaurant. But if I am the first one shot does it matter if a had a gun?
If I am to live in fear for my families safety do I only buy the biggest, safest cars? The odds of dying in a car accident are much greater than getting shot. Do I stop using the stove so my toddler won't burn himself? I just saw a news report a few nights ago where a kid drowned in the toilet. At what point do I realize that obsessing over protecting my family is actually more harmful to them in the long run?

I gave up on being paranoid. I use my brain to avoid bad situations and so far it has worked. If you are afraid at school, request an escort to your car. My wife has the bagger walk her to her car at the grocery store even in daylight. Use those free resources.

[E Pluribus Unum]

I'm working on an Administration of Justice Degree so most times my instructors are ex-cops etc.... I have one this semester that is a strong believer in gun rights which is totally cool and without saying it straight out, I know he carries into the class room (which I'm cool with). On the first night we were discussing many things and somehow the subject comes up about us females who have to walk to the parking structure etc. after class in the dark. He asks if any of us carry anything for protection, specifically a gun. Of course we all say no because it's illegal and he says only if you get caught but fails to mention that if you do get caught, you will lose your gun rights for 10 years.

My question is would you do it anyway? I mean, I want to but then again do I want to take the risk.

If you are carrying a gun that is registered to you, first time offense is an infraction. This would leave you with a misdemeanor charge of carrying loaded in public. This would likely be plead down to loss of the gun, a $250-$500 fine and 30-60 hours community service. No jail... and after 1 year you could get it expunged- no suspension of gun rights.

[Untamed1972]

I used to have a similar mindset. Then I realized I cannot prevent bad things from happening to good people. When I started CCWing I felt compelled to always carry thinking the one time I did not carry would be the time I needed it. Then I realized I was living in constant fear and paranoia. Yes, at any given time someone can shoot up a restaurant. But if I am the first one shot does it matter if a had a gun?
If I am to live in fear for my families safety do I only buy the biggest, safest cars? The odds of dying in a car accident are much greater than getting shot. Do I stop using the stove so my toddler won't burn himself? I just saw a news report a few nights ago where a kid drowned in the toilet. At what point do I realize that obsessing over protecting my family is actually more harmful to them in the long run?

I gave up on being paranoid. I use my brain to avoid bad situations and so far it has worked. If you are afraid at school, request an escort to your car. My wife has the bagger walk her to her car at the grocery store even in daylight. Use those free resources.

I dont think choosing to be prepared means one hasta be living in a state of paranoia. It just means being a prepared and choosing to be aware of your surroundings.

You said "I use my brain to avoid bad situations and so far it has worked. If you are afraid at school, request an escort to your car. My wife has the bagger walk her to her car at the grocery store even in daylight. Use those free resources"

That is a form of preperation and awareness. If one can reduce their chances of coming to harm by such methods then they by all means should, but it's nice to have options if those are not available or something unexpected like breaking down on the highway at night happens. I have fire extinguishers at home, not because I intend for anything to catch fire or because I'm paranoid. But in home fires do happen on a daily basis, just like crime does. No harm in being prepared for either.

[Packy14]

If you don't like the laws of the state...move. Outright breaking of them and posting that you are going to do so on a public forum that has LE all over it both as members and nonmembers is the definition of stupid and will be used against you if you are ever caught. Get some pepper spray, be aware, and have a gun as close as legally possible.

[markman42]

So what happens to all ur firearms while on probation? Can a person still sell them or do they get taken away?

[POLICESTATE]

So what happens to all ur firearms while on probation? Can a person still sell them or do they get taken away?

I'm not sure, however I would PPT them to a friend or family member before I was convicted

[Mendo223]

i have a pro gun friend who was caught in SF recently carrying a revolver in his car. DA already has a plea deal on the table, with help from his lawyer of course...but the deal is 5 years probation, no jail time. so yeah hes gonna lose his gun rights, but no jailtime isnt too bad. if he gets caught again i imagine it will be bad. he hasnt been convicted yet, and still has another legally owned gun that hes trying to sell. i would buy it but a .50 cal is not on my wish list.

[POLICESTATE]

i have a pro gun friend who was caught in SF recently carrying a revolver in his car. DA already has a plea deal on the table, with help from his lawyer of course...but the deal is 5 years probation, no jail time. so yeah hes gonna lose his gun rights, but no jailtime isnt too bad. if he gets caught again i imagine it will be bad. he hasnt been convicted yet, and still has another legally owned gun that hes trying to sell. i would buy it but a .50 cal is not on my wish list.

1. I'm shocked the DA in SF would let him plea bargain this instead of trying to convince the judge on the case to allow a public shaming and then drowning off the wharf.

2. I'm not sure, but what if he just transfers the gun to a family member? I moves it out of state to store it in Reno or something? Not sure on the legality on that last idea.

[acolytes]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...That is an option I like better than pepper spray etc...

Just make sure you are proficient with a knife if you choose to carry one, because if it is taken from you in a struggle, now you are in double deep doo doo.

[XD9JEN]

I used to have a similar mindset. Then I realized I cannot prevent bad things from happening to good people. When I started CCWing I felt compelled to always carry thinking the one time I did not carry would be the time I needed it. Then I realized I was living in constant fear and paranoia. Yes, at any given time someone can shoot up a restaurant. But if I am the first one shot does it matter if a had a gun?
If I am to live in fear for my families safety do I only buy the biggest, safest cars? The odds of dying in a car accident are much greater than getting shot. Do I stop using the stove so my toddler won't burn himself? I just saw a news report a few nights ago where a kid drowned in the toilet. At what point do I realize that obsessing over protecting my family is actually more harmful to them in the long run?

I gave up on being paranoid. I use my brain to avoid bad situations and so far it has worked. If you are afraid at school, request an escort to your car. My wife has the bagger walk her to her car at the grocery store even in daylight. Use those free resources.

I get what you are saying here...can't live in a plastic bubble, but I'm not sure that he has an obsession to protect...might just be a hardcore gun carrying dude