CA DROS Delay

[ugimports]

if it's on there I entered it this is the same letter they send everyone that was undetermined. What sucks is Bass Pro does not go by the 30 days they go by 28 days max which don't seem legal to me they also make you wait 11 days not 10 days. So I will not be purchasing any firearms from them ever again.

What do you mean 28 days max? Are you saying that Bass Pro is willing to release 2 days earlier than what the law allows? I'm a little confused on your 28 days vs 30 days.

Technically, on a delay, if it doesn't get approved or denied it will automatically changed to undetermined 720 hours + a few minutes from the start of the DROS. At that point the dealer has a 30 day window to deliver the firearm if they choose to.

[ugimports]

That is laughable nonsense of course.

The real reason for the delays and undetermined is that they get to keep or rather steal your DROS fee whether they do anything to earn the money or not.

They can sit there and do nothing with your DROS application and still male the $37 something fee for doing nothing.


We'll get to it when we can but if we can't we will still keep your money and stop looking into it after 30 days. But if you want us to pretend to look at it for another 30 days then pay us another $37 for doing nothing.

If any private business operated like that it would be considered a scam because that is exactly what it is. You paid for a service in this case the results of your background check. But if you didn't receive any results at all you should not have to pay for it. Any normal business if for some reason can't provide the service you paid for will gladly give your money back.

It's like if you walked into the DMV and pay forty dollars for a driver license. You expect to receive it in the mail a few days later but instead you get a letter telling you oh sorry we can't send you a driver license because we didn't get around to making it because we were busy with other things but we're keeping all your money anyway. Have a nice day.


If you are somehow legally allowed to keep your customer's money whether you do anything for them or not then there is zero incentive for you to do anything for them is there? That is called fraud and theft.

It's not entirely the same thing. In this case CA DOJ is doing the actual labor (supposedly), but they are waiting on results. It's the results they are waiting on that potentially are taking up to 30 days...so rather than wait for that courthouse in Temecula forever, it'll flip to undetermined.

You paid for a background check.
CA DOJ ran the background check.

Keep in mind..you even get a BG check for FREE after 30 days!!! Yes, because on undetermined they actually run a Federal BG Again! The original background check they run is only good for 30 days. So we (FFLs) have to get the new Federal NICS background check reference to document on the 4473.

What makes you believe they are doing nothing? Other than during Covid where hundreds/thousands were all delayed I have no reason to suspect that the few delays I received over the past 3 months were a random employee just doing nothing.

[ugimports]

My FFL said 30 days start from day of "Delayed" notice
..
not the day of start dros..

so that wrong?

thanks in advance..

Your FFL must not have ever processed a DELAY. here's an example from a recent DELAY >> UNDETERMINED:
TRANSACTION DATE/TIME: 06/16/2022 04 : 52 : 59 PM
EARLIEST DELIVERY DATE/TIME: 07/17/2022 10 : 04 : 04 AM

Now, it should have only been a few minutes after 4:52pm on 7/16, but DOJ does suck. Maybe if I called in on 7/16 @ 5pm and asked they would have flipped it for me.

Transaction Date/Time was start of original DROS.
Delay came on 6/23.

[LMan57]

What do you mean 28 days max? Are you saying that Bass Pro is willing to release 2 days earlier than what the law allows? I'm a little confused on your 28 days vs 30 days.

Technically, on a delay, if it doesn't get approved or denied it will automatically changed to undetermined 720 hours + a few minutes from the start of the DROS. At that point the dealer has a 30 day window to deliver the firearm if they choose to.

The 28 days is the last day you can pick up your gun with them if you pass the background check failing to do so you have to re-DROS they don't wait the 30 days so your window is from day 11 to day 28.

[ugimports]

The 28 days is the last day you can pick up your gun with them if you pass the background check failing to do so you have to re-DROS they don't wait the 30 days so your window is from day 11 to day 28.

What happens if the firearm is a 1-in-30?

Do they tell you on Day 29, NO we won't release and we won't reDROS for 2 more days because you'll get rejected for 1-in-30?

Also, does that mean they cancel the DROS since it's technically open? Say it's for a receiver..

Are they really doing to have 2 active DROS open for the same make/model/serial number for the first few days of overlap? Seems strange..

[LMan57]

What happens if the firearm is a 1-in-30?

Do they tell you on Day 29, NO we won't release and we won't reDROS for 2 more days because you'll get rejected for 1-in-30?

Also, does that mean they cancel the DROS since it's technically open? Say it's for a receiver..

Are they really doing to have 2 active DROS open for the same make/model/serial number for the first few days of overlap? Seems strange..

1-in-30 not sure what you're asking?

After day 28 the dealer BP will cancel the DROS and refund the purchaser or start a new waiting period the purchaser's choice.

they can't have two open at the same time they cancel before starting the new waiting period.

[golfish]

Yeah man, go check out 2AZone. They're probably halfway between the 10 and 210 on Mountain.

[Creative300]

It's not entirely the same thing. In this case CA DOJ is doing the actual labor (supposedly), but they are waiting on results. It's the results they are waiting on that potentially are taking up to 30 days...so rather than wait for that courthouse in Temecula forever, it'll flip to undetermined.

You paid for a background check.hink they
CA DOJ ran the background check.

What makes you think they really are doing anything? You're just assuming.

Whatever they are doing it's not producing any results. If you do shody work or work that doesn't result in anything useful to your customers then that is just as bad as doing nothing at all.

Give me the results of my background check in a timely manner. Is it clean or not? That is a result. If it is not clean, then what did I do specifically to make it not clean? That is a valid result.

Telling me "I don't know" or it is undetermined (which is the same as I don't know) is the same thing as providing me with absolutely nothing.

[ar15barrels]

What happens if the firearm is a 1-in-30?

There are no longer firearms that are not 1-in-30 firearms.
It used to be that only hanguns and semi-auto rifles were limited to 1-in-30 but not ALL firearms were limited to 1-in-30.

Now ALL firearms are limited to 1-in-30 days per AB1621 which was signed into law on June 30th 2022.

27535. (a) A person shall not make an application to purchase more than one firearm within any 30-day period.

That new law was included in AB1621 which also has this down near the end:

SEC. 41. This act is an urgency statute necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health, or safety within the meaning of Article IV of the California Constitution and shall go into immediate effect.

[ugimports]

1-in-30 not sure what you're asking?

After day 28 the dealer BP will cancel the DROS and refund the purchaser or start a new waiting period the purchaser's choice.

they can't have two open at the same time they cancel before starting the new waiting period.

Ah that's more clear. I'm curious why they do this because I can't think of a practical reason why it's any more efficient then going to 30 days..except maybe they use a calendar and it's easier to visually see 4 weeks / 28 days then it is to look at it and count 30 days.

[ugimports]

There are no longer firearms that are not 1-in-30 firearms.
It used to be that only hanguns and semi-auto rifles were limited to 1-in-30 but not ALL firearms were limited to 1-in-30.

Now ALL firearms are limited to 1-in-30 days per AB1621 which was signed into law on June 30th 2022.



That new law was included in AB1621 which also has this down near the end:

Although, that doesn't take effect until January 2024, correct? Or did I misread?

[ugimports]

What makes you think they really are doing anything? You're just assuming.

Whatever they are doing it's not producing any results. If you do shody work or work that doesn't result in anything useful to your customers then that is just as bad as doing nothing at all.

Give me the results of my background check in a timely manner. Is it clean or not? That is a result. If it is not clean, then what did I do specifically to make it not clean? That is a valid result.

Telling me "I don't know" or it is undetermined (which is the same as I don't know) is the same thing as providing me with absolutely nothing.

The reason I know they are doing something is that I receive a Federal NICS Number which means they did something to get that. Otherwise, there would be no possible way for me to legally release the firearm from a federal standpoint.

That is a result, but not a complete result. As I said, it's a service. You paid for the service..yes the service sucks, but would you rather they go back to you have to wait for the result indefinitely? Probably not.

Also, undetermined is NOT the same as absolutely nothing. It DOES mean you passed the Federal NICS check...however, CA adds whatever else to the process which they are still waiting on.

[Creative300]

The reason I know they are doing something is that I receive a Federal NICS Number which means they did something to get that. Otherwise, there would be no possible way for me to legally release the firearm from a federal standpoint.

That is a result, but not a complete result. As I said, it's a service. You paid for the service..yes the service sucks, but would you rather they go back to you have to wait for the result indefinitely? Probably not.

Also, undetermined is NOT the same as absolutely nothing. It DOES mean you passed the Federal NICS check...however, CA adds whatever else to the process which they are still waiting on.

1. But it doesn't take that long to provide a NICS number. From what I understand in most other states you get the results of your NICS instantly you don't have to wait 30 days or even 10 day for it.


2. In Nevada for example the BG check can take up to three days but is usually instant and if I'm not mistaken the state doesn't charge you anything for it.

3. The NICS background check is conducted by the FBI from my understanding. The FBI did all the work and doesn't charge anything for it so its pretty funny the state of California is charging you 40 dollars for something that the FBI did. Haha what a nice racket they got going on there. Al Capone would be proud.

[ugimports]

1. But it doesn't take that long to provide a NICS number. From what I understand in most other states you get the results of your NICS instantly you don't have to wait 30 days or even 10 day for it.


2. In Nevada for example the BG check can take up to three days but is usually instant and if I'm not mistaken the state doesn't charge you anything for it.

3. The NICS background check is conducted by the FBI from my understanding. The FBI did all the work and doesn't charge anything for it so its pretty funny the state of California is charging you 40 dollars for something that the FBI did. Haha what a nice racket they got going on there. Al Capone would be proud.

1. Yes - I think that's true
2. not sure
3. Yes it is a racket. The state is good at that. It's likely why they had such a surplus in the DROS fund as the fees we pay are much greater than the actual labor/technical cost for the work.

[taperxz]

There are no longer firearms that are not 1-in-30 firearms.
It used to be that only hanguns and semi-auto rifles were limited to 1-in-30 but not ALL firearms were limited to 1-in-30.

Now ALL firearms are limited to 1-in-30 days per AB1621 which was signed into law on June 30th 2022.



That new law was included in AB1621 which also has this down near the end:

2024