CA DROS Delay

[The Gleam]

I've begun to merge these DROS delay threads; easier to see the magnitude if it's all in one place.

Instead of merging them, you may need a separate forum for them. Merging them may seem to imply it's a singular inquiry/single incident.

I say kill the COVID forum; start a "Delay / Undetermined" forum for real exhibition in scope of the problem. Putting all the threads in one area would really show the growing impact and frequency.

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[smokycuh]

Instead of merging them, you may need a separate forum for them. Merging them may seem to imply it's a singular inquiry/single incident.

I say kill the COVID forum; start a "Delay / Undetermined" forum for real exhibition in scope of the problem. Putting all the threads id one area would really show the growing impact and frequency.

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[559BearDown]

Jim's trading post formerly Uncle Sam's will release undetermined after 30 days.

I quit dealing with Breco Firearms during the pandemic when they would only do private party transfer by appointment and appointments were only being made months out. Not a very good shop and not very good prices on guns.

Thanks for the heads up 👍

[pacrat]

Originally Posted by pacrat View Post
Yes, that bad, several new threads a week get started on the subject. Or it seems so anyway. Due to frequency.

I've begun to merge these DROS delay threads; easier to see the magnitude if it's all in one place.

Instead of merging them, you may need a separate forum for them. Merging them may seem to imply it's a singular inquiry/single incident.

I say kill the COVID forum; start a "Delay / Undetermined" forum for real exhibition in scope of the problem. Putting all the threads in one area would really show the growing impact and frequency.

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LIBRARIAN,

FWIW; ^^^ I concur in part ^^^

I like all the funny MeMe's or whatever they are called in the Rona forum. And it serves a purpose, if only to vent against Gubermint.

The underlined IMHO makes perfect sense. With a designated "Delay / Undetermined" forum. To consolidate postings concerning this rapidly increasing problem We as CRPA members could point to as a needed focus of the org.

Even the response by Matthew Cubeiro of Michel Assoc/CRPA shows the lack of acknowledgement that this is an issue for ALL Gun Buyers of late.

Hey, JM2c

ETA .... While still on my soapbox.

ALL CG MEMBERS READING THIS. IF NOT ALREADY, NEED TO GET OUT OF THE 2A WELFARE LINE AND JOIN CRPA.

THEY ARE YOUR ONLY HOPE OF KEEPING YOUR 2A RIGHTS.

[kcstott]

In general, everytime I see someone get delayed its due to an arrest or other contact with law enforcement that is reflected on the person's RAP sheet but also lacks any disposition. Meaning there is no subsequent entry to state what happened as a result of that contact. I have yet to come across someone who is truly prohibited, however.

We offer free consultations for individuals who get a delay status which includes me reviewing their entire RAP to see what the problem is and what options there are to correct it. But I cannot help without actually seeing the person's RAP. And in cases where the issue is an out of state contact I would also need to see the person's federal RAP sheet. Both are what DOJ looks at when running background checks in addition to other databases.

You can contact our office at helpdesk@michellawyers.com for info on how to obtain your RAP sheets.

Bottom line, people placed on delay that want to get the issue fixed need to contact an attorney directly to see what the problem may be and how to fix it. And did I mention we generally do that for free? Thats thanks in large part to CRPA.

[twowheelz805]

Agreed!!

I'm in fear of going on a second delay myself on a PPT. I have a CCW (that recently renewed for a 5th time) and a COE. And am a retired from the marine Corp. During this delay, I purchased a new firearm from my Local gun store and a case of 556 for range instruction. No issues at all.

This makes no sense. I have another house out of state (constitutional carry state) and at this point, it would've been easier to purchase this firearm there.

[Deelayed]

Just search 'All Threads' for the words "undetermined" or "delay".

Hope your hard-drive doesn't melt in the process.

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Seriously he needs to back up his hard drive and grab a cold beverage . And he needs to be prepared to laugh a little and cry a little , he will be a stronger person afterwards .

[Deelayed]

Just search 'All Threads' for the words "undetermined" or "delay".

Hope your hard-drive doesn't melt in the process.

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If it walks like a sneaky underhanded ploy and talks like a sneaky under handed ploy ....

[Deelayed]

Got The Call Smoky!!!

"APPROVED"
with 5mn left to spare from the 30 day BS.

(Stage Stop Gun Shop & Indoor Range (209) 358-4867
Release ''UNDETERMINED'' if you have a Valid CA. CCW.)

But that is not what is going on here.

I greatly appreciate your taking the time to join this conversation, but really look over what is actually being conveyed here, and in more than a dozen areas peppered throughout Calguns, sharing even more anecdotes by dozens of separate others within each.

If you read any part of this thread, or any of the dozens of sudden reports by people without any background issues, and as also being advised by dealers, that the surge in undetermined and delays has jumped 10-fold or more in numbers, you'll see it's not the same scenario as you are suggesting seen from your association with client matters.

The increased frequency arising over delays and 'undetermined' status on various existing gun owners' DROS processes, where in many cases they have an active DROS that is NOT delayed or 'undetermined' from another FFL at the same time, is way out of limits of likelihood to these people being the example you are citing.

The sudden increase in delays and 'undetermined' are skyrocketing and the DOJ is candidly stating it's due to their system inefficiency, shortage of staff, new guidelines, and other dismissive fodder - a gamut of issues, not directly the cause or trait of the buyer, that should never be any reason to delay someone's right or be ambiguous about that right (i.e., this nonsensical 'undetermined' label).

I understand your point on delays where someone needs legal help because THEY are the issue, but that is WHY you're only hearing from THOSE people!

You're not hearing about these unfounded and unwarranted delays and 'undetermined' infringements because the people to whom this is happening do not have any prohibiting or legal trapping for an attorney to address or need for the same. There is nothing about them to work on.

And THAT is why a 2nd Amendment rights organization needs to look into this.

These are cut-and-dry civil rights violations by the DOJ solely because the amount of work, or the time they self-prescribed to an issue that didn't need obstruction in the first place, is inconveniencing them. So they log a delay, an undetermined - "Sorry, we just can't fit you and your miserable 2nd Amendment rights in right now."

As a member of the NRA since 1978 without fail, and a member of the CRPA since coming to CA in 1990, it's absolutely crucial this issue not go ignored and discounted, or misinterpreted as something else, the cause for delays being business as usual because of the buyers.

Much more is at work here - or should I say, NOT at work?

The problem-cases you have only heard about as clients that come to you to fix their personal issue is a separate track entirely.

In the 20+ years of Calguns, there has never been this recent level of delays/undetermined DOJ games being reported from buyers that have recently DROSed numerous guns in the past several months without such asinine infringement being donned on them.

Something is amiss, maybe even intentional.

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And that goes for me too . I'm with him ^^^^^^^

[Deelayed]

Instead of merging them, you may need a separate forum for them. Merging them may seem to imply it's a singular inquiry/single incident.

I say kill the COVID forum; start a "Delay / Undetermined" forum for real exhibition in scope of the problem. Putting all the threads in one area would really show the growing impact and frequency.

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Yes

[smokycuh]

At this point i just assume every single dros will be delayed

Always on day 7 like gun control clockwork

If you expect the worse you will never be disappointed hahaha


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[smokycuh]

Update : after 61 days in jail (2 dros delays)
Glock 17 and stag receiver are finally home!
Literally a miracle in my book i gave up already


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[L-2]

I've been following this thread and so glad to hear the (good) news of approval, rather than another delay. I'm also glad to hear the OP isn't going to use the subject FFL any longer.

Wow; just wow.

(For even the 10-day waiting period, I'm so glad I don't need to deal with CA's system any longer, now being in NV.)

Meanwhile, I hope Calguns or CRPA takes the issue up with CA-DOJ-OAG (whomever). Whether it's DOJ or the FFL on this issue is beyond my understanding as it would have all gone away or not existed if the FFL merely released on undetermined status.

[Solanaco]

If you are DROS delayed, how does that impact your ability to buy 1 new gun in 30 days? Does your original DROS date serve as the Sale Date, and you can buy another firearm 30+ days later, or does everything wait until you take delivery of the first one?

[smokycuh]

I've been following this thread and so glad to hear the (good) news of approval, rather than another delay. I'm also glad to hear the OP isn't going to use the subject FFL any longer.

Wow; just wow.

(For even the 10-day waiting period, I'm so glad I don't need to deal with CA's system any longer, now being in NV.)

Meanwhile, I hope Calguns or CRPA takes the issue up with CA-DOJ-OAG (whomever). Whether it's DOJ or the FFL on this issue is beyond my understanding as it would have all gone away or not existed if the FFL merely released on undetermined status.

I agree someone needs to be held accountable for this Bs!


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