1911 vs. Glock

[SirRicky85]

If you want a .45acp then get a 1911. If you want a polymer striker fire handgun get yourself a glock in 9mm or 10mm.

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At this point it's become an expectation that some older gun owner will go out of their way to denigrate whatever "newer" gun a younger guy or gal has, proceeds to preach about how great their older, "tried and true" gun of choice is, then gets angry because how dare those youths criticize their seemingly perfect choice of traditional firearm?

A classic case of this is listening to many guys argue how the AR-15 is a new "fad" that's a "spray and pray" weapon, then gets on a high horse about how much better their "traditional" Mini-14 is, then get angry when you tell them how the latter is not perfect and that the AR-15 is even older than the Mini-14 in terms of design.

Not angry or on a high horse, just letting you know that even though the AR is older than the Mini 14, it is not older in terms of design. If you do not believe me compare the Mini's design to the M1 Garand's.

[rsrocket1]

[rplaw]

Many of my students come to class with polymer pistols they can't shoot.

It's not the fact that it's plastic, it's the fact that they're just horrible junk from a design and manufacturing standpoint. Ergonomics suck, triggers suck, fit and finish suck.

They are, like most things these days, cheap and disposable, with the emphasis on cheap.

As for the student's, it takes quite a while before they manage to start keeping the sights on the target by the time the gun goes bang instead of drifting low and to the side. Some can do nice groups down there, but that's not where/what they're supposed to be shooting at.

Take a brand new student and a 1911 right out of the box, clean/lube the 1911, give to new student, go shooting and see where their groups end up.

Now do the same with a Glock.

It doesn't even matter which gun the student shoots first, the results will always be the same.

The "better" firearm is the one you can shoot accurately from the get-go no matter what your level of experience is. In all my years of teaching new-to-the-sport students to shoot, it's never ever been something made of plastic.

[Dvrjon]

I will just put it nicely. There's a reason why every major law enforcement agency and military agency around the world uses Glock. And it's not because of the pricing. They just plain work. All the time.

LAPD and the US Military will be dropping by to discuss your opinion.

[crufflers]

It's not the fact that it's plastic, it's the fact that they're just horrible junk from a design and manufacturing standpoint. Ergonomics suck, triggers suck, fit and finish suck.

They are, like most things these days, cheap and disposable, with the emphasis on cheap.

As for the student's, it takes quite a while before they manage to start keeping the sights on the target by the time the gun goes bang instead of drifting low and to the side. Some can do nice groups down there, but that's not where/what they're supposed to be shooting at.

Take a brand new student and a 1911 right out of the box, clean/lube the 1911, give to new student, go shooting and see where their groups end up.

Now do the same with a Glock.

It doesn't even matter which gun the student shoots first, the results will always be the same.

The "better" firearm is the one you can shoot accurately from the get-go no matter what your level of experience is. In all my years of teaching new-to-the-sport students to shoot, it's never ever been something made of plastic.

So people new to shooting should start with a 1911... like some people start with a rimfire, like a 10/22 or Buckmark. Maybe practice a few years and graduate to a Glock?

Oh but Glocks are plastic garbage and only last what? 800,000 rounds? I am sure all your students will wear out a Glock. Ahhh hahahahahahah.

[crufflers]

FWIW, I have a steel single-stack .45 ACP 1911 and a 9mm... two steel .45 CZ clones, G30S, G41, etc...

My two favorite .45's and I would call it a tie: H&K USP Expert / Glock 41

Steel guns did not beat the plastic ones IMHO. I have seen plenty of new shooters make decent groups with a Glock FWIW - after they have basics of HANDGUNS down. HANDGUNS are not easy to learn in the first trip to the range. Anyone telling you a 1911 is some kind of miracle cure for no experience is smoking that good Parmesan.

[crufflers]

Ever watch the pansy hansies try to pick up a 1911? Its like they are trying to use cooked spaghetti to pick up a cup of coffee.

Why would they shoot a 1911 differently than the Glock? You shoot a Glock like that and it will not cycle. Old dinosaur autos are like boat anchors and usually will cycle because of weight alone (baring any other 1911-style malfs).

Ever see a 1911 lifer try to pick up a G40MOS fully loaded and not make excuses for why they have little basic handgun knowledge or skill after shooting a 1911 for 30 years or whatever? Most of the good ones switched to Glocks ten years ago.

[Mute]

2011 master race FTW!

[morrcarr67]

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[wpage]

In states where you can use 12 round mags in the glock 21 it wins.

Also the G21 breaks down easy for cleaning.

[M1NM]

9mm is superior to .45. Since a real 1911 is a .45, Glock 17 wins by default. Glad we got that all hashed out.

Is that why a Glock 45 is a 9mm??? Talk about missing a marketing opportunity.

https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g45

PS my Glock 30 will kick your Glock 17s a

[crufflers]

Is that why a Glock 45 is a 9mm??? Talk about missing a marketing opportunity.

One person's missed opportunity is a Glock-fan-boy-technical-nerd's golden opportunity to tell you he knows it is a model number (not a caliber or a magazine capacity) and that forty is 10mm and that 22 is .40 and that 45 is a 9mm, etc... no one who doesn't caress their Glocks daily gives a care. You memorized all those models? What do you want, a cookie?

[tomrkba]

D*mn 1911's. Things were going too well.

[003]

If you want a .45acp then get a 1911. If you want a polymer striker fire handgun get yourself a glock in 9mm or 10mm.

Glock makes several great .45's