1911 vs. Glock

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I don' think it is... pistols are different, different role. Pistols with no manual safety are also different IMHO. On the other hand, I can see where you are coming from I think. I do not prefer stock Glock triggers (though the last GEN3 G34 my cousin bought is the best I have felt)... I do not prefer Milspec AR triggers. I don't mind my Romanian SKS trigger... probably because it is on a $140 gun and I just don't care (it is an accurate SKS).

I like CMC 3.5 triggers for the pull and the reset... I also like the Geissele SSA-E, Hiperfire EDT3, RISE (the cheap one), LaRue triggers that came with my UU kits... but CMC is my favorite. They are not the lightest, but some Milspec groups feel really bad IMHO. I don't think you can beat the reset of the EDT3 which is a $90 trigger.

It is subjective and most people simply know what they like when they feel/shoot it... sometimes when you actually shoot a gun, a heavy gritty, stagey, spongey trigger doesn't make much difference at all and other times a trigger is so bad it makes a big difference.

People have different peeves... I do not like harsh gritty walls and hate stacking... like a Makarov or a stock Ruger SP-101 .22 come to mind.

I'd rather shoot a stock Glock trigger than a Milspec AR trigger. For sure. BUT I don't have any stock Glock triggers.

Yeah, with a S&W revolver, I can shoot the DA trigger pretty good close but for hitting smaller stuff or long range I use the SA trigger. Closest thing to Glock trigger I own is a S&W SD9VE and it is same with it vs 1911 do ok with it to 25 yard, but at 100 yards I'll hit more soda cans with the 1911 or even my Ruger MkII 22lr will out shoot the SD9VE at 100yds.

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So people new to shooting should start with a 1911... like some people start with a rimfire, like a 10/22 or Buckmark. Maybe practice a few years and graduate to a Glock?

Oh but Glocks are plastic garbage and only last what? 800,000 rounds? I am sure all your students will wear out a Glock. Ahhh hahahahahahah.

Lol.

I didn't say any of what you try to say I did.

What I said is that in a straight head to head comparison by a new shooter, the 1911 will deliver results while the Glock will take time to learn how to shoot properly. Mostly because this requires additional muscle strength in your support hand to counteract the downward force of the crappy trigger pull as well as learning how much counter force you have to apply to keep the muzzle at the POA and not drifting down and to the side.

Hey, here's something to think about. Guess what happens if you apply those hours of learning how to shoot a Glock without missing the bullseye to a 1911 which you can already shoot better and easier? I like to think you get a better shooter who doesn't have to go through the phase of being frustrated that he can't shoot worth crap, even though it's his Glock that's causing it and not him.

But, you go ahead and send a couple of thousand rounds downrange "getting used to the trigger" on your Glock. We all gotta pay our dues somehow.

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My theory is it's just a way for peopel who can't shoot them well to justify the firearm as inferior.

I put Glock minus connectors in mine and give the trigger components a quick polish. I don't change the geometry or anything, just smooth any machining marks, etc. The results are a trigger that I am very happy with for the $15-$20 cost of the minus connector.

Sure, my buddy's Johnny Glock trigger that cost $290 feels really nice, but not $290 nice for a firearm that cost $499.

[b]I can shoot a 1911 just as accurately as I can shoot a Glock and as accurately as I can shoot a DA/SA Beretta. The key is to be familiar with, and actually practice with the firearms.[/b[

YOU can. But can a noobie shooter?

I have no problems with nailing the bullseye with anything I pick up and shoot with. 1911, plastic fantastic, revolvers, whatever, they all hit what I aim at. What I have a problem with are people who think that because I can do it, and they can do it too, after years spent developing the skills required, anyone can do it right out of the gate.

It's just not true.

It also causes problems that are sometimes difficult to fix because they're mental rather than physical. Personally, I prefer not having to deal with an angry or frustrated person holding a loaded gun. YMMV

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Yeah, with a S&W revolver, I can shoot the DA trigger pretty good close but for hitting smaller stuff or long range I use the SA trigger. Closest thing to Glock trigger I own is a S&W SD9VE and it is same with it vs 1911 do ok with it to 25 yard, but at 100 yards I'll hit more soda cans with the 1911 or even my Ruger MkII 22lr will out shoot the SD9VE at 100yds.

Right... I bet my 1911's will do great at 100 yards off a sand bag on the bench. I can't recall EVER shooting a Glock like that. The only gun I do recall doing that with is my Model 28 when it had a 8" barrel and it was easy to hit things at 100 yards with SA and .38+P. Also just a fun thing to do at the range like a party trick... still not as good as a long gun.

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Lol.

I didn't say any of what you try to say I did.

But, you go ahead and send a couple of thousand rounds downrange "getting used to the trigger" on your Glock. We all gotta pay our dues somehow.

I didn't learn to shoot on any Glocks at all or 1911's. So if someone buys a Glock you will teach them on a 1911 and tell them it is the Glock's fault? Hahahahahahahah.

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Right... I bet my 1911's will do great at 100 yards off a sand bag on the bench. I can't recall EVER shooting a Glock like that. The only gun I do recall doing that with is my Model 28 when it had a 8" barrel and it was easy to hit things at 100 yards with SA and .38+P. Also just a fun thing to do at the range like a party trick... still not as good as a long gun.

I do not shoot any of my handguns off a sandbag on a bench. If I do use a rest it would be sitting using my knees as rest, but I do not do that at 100 yards.

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because this requires additional muscle strength in your support hand to counteract the downward force of the crappy trigger pull as well as learning how much counter force you have to apply to keep the muzzle at the POA and not drifting down and to the side.

it's his Glock that's causing it and not him.

LOL WUT? It certainly IS inexperience and lack of trigger control. Trigger control is everything. YOU know how to shoot anything, so teach your student how to shoot their Glock!!

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Sandbag on a bench and the type trigger matters less.

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My two cents having shot both Glock and 1911 (both chambered in 45 ACP)

The 1911 is easily more beautiful, has a significantly better trigger, slightly more comfortable, and easier to get a one-shot bullseye when Target shooting. While a little heavy, the all metal construction soaks up the recoil beautifully. I found especially as a left-hander the manual safety was really annoying

With the SF models the Glock is decently comfortable, having the extra capacity and simplicity are awesome. With rapid fire or stress shooting my groups with the Glock are just as good as the 1911. Reloads are easier with Glock. As far as the tool goes I don't worry about if my Glock gets beat up, It just runs. It's also a lot easier to disassemble and clean if you feel like it.

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On a 1911 you have weight to reduce felt recoil . You have a fully adjustable trigger. Literally with the ed brown sear jig and a adjustable trigger you would have the best pistol trigger in pistol history. Less recoil less movement of the trigger plus you can set the trigger weight where ever you want it. 1911 will shoot faster.

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Sandbag on a bench and the type trigger matters less.

I can only relate that's how I shot a revolver at 100 yards back in the 90's a few times in Oroville for laughs. Maybe it seemed accurate since the only long gun I had was a Mini-14. I do not shoot pistols at 100 yards standing, sitting, or otherwise nowadays. Long guns seem better for that. Triggers from a bench or prone or whatever? The lighter the better. A sandbag is not a vise.

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I can only relate that's how I shot a revolver at 100 yards back in the 90's a few times in Oroville for laughs. Maybe it seemed accurate since the only long gun I had was a Mini-14. I do not shoot pistols at 100 yards standing, sitting, or otherwise nowadays. Long guns seem better for that. Triggers from a bench or prone or whatever? The lighter the better. A sandbag is not a vise.

I have shot at Oroville quite a bit back in the mid to late 90s when I worked down there. Still do sometimes.

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Love my Glocks but there is something about 1911 in 9mm. Very accurate. So easy to hit a plate at 100 yards.

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I have shot at Oroville quite a bit back in the mid to late 90s when I worked down there. Still do sometimes.

I used to live near there and grew up there so it was the place to be. Great range, and Walmart was right there for ammo if you drove into Oroville.

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