1911 vs. Glock

[stormvet]

D*mn 1911's. Things were going too well.

[tanks]

Yeah, I've heard it in classes. All the old farts with their 1911's go on and on and on about how much better the 1911 is and how superior it is, then when it comes to actually putting their money where their mouths are they can't really shoot those 1911's that well. Maybe it's because they're old, shake liek crazy and are half blond, but then again if that's the case they probably shouldn't be raging on everyone else for the firearm they chose to bring to the class just because it isn't a 1911.

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My EDC, I'd say a 2011 is a good compromise with 17 rounds.



Shoots pretty well as well (CCW qualification with 5 guns, 125 rounds).

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You never hear snipers or precision rifle shooters say "hey lets get a rifle with a long crappy trigger and plastic stock so I can shoot good enough".

[stormvet]

You never hear snipers or precision rifle shooters say "hey lets get a rifle with a long crappy trigger and plastic stock so I can shoot good enough".

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Most of them will be carrying a Glock for their sidearm.

That is what is so weird/funny, but yes I have heard some of them say hey lets get a 1911.

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I also think it funny reading threads of people talking about needing or having expensive after market triggers for their AR, then the same people bragging up Glocks while trashing 1911s.

[crufflers]

I don't think that Glock triggers are anywhere near as bad as some people think they are. Not even close.

Could the last brand new stock G34 trigger I shot have been improved with a $15 connector? Yeah, but it was fine stock too.

I personally do not like or prefer most stock Glock triggers, but to me a $15 - $25 part that takes 1 minute to swap in is not a big deal and I like those just as much as a PPQ trigger for example. No need to be that light IMHO. Nothing to love about a 1911 trigger's reset IMHO. So subjective, but in this hobby there are a lot of us that could be more self-aware. Also, this is the internet and we can say what we want within reason. Most do not care what anyone else likes. Doesn't usually change what I prefer unless it gets me to try something new that I decide I prefer. I probably will not be trying a $5000 1911 anytime. If I did, chances are I would not think it was worth $5000.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

I don't think that Glock triggers are anywhere near as bad as some people think they are. Not even close.

Could the last brand new stock G34 trigger I shot have been improved with a $15 connector? Yeah, but it was fine stock too.

I personally do not like or prefer most stock Glock triggers, but to me a $15 - $25 part that takes 1 minute to swap in is not a big deal and I like those just as much as a PPQ trigger for example. No need to be that light IMHO. Nothing to love about a 1911 trigger's reset IMHO. So subjective, but in this hobby there are a lot of us that could be more self-aware. Also, this is the internet and we can say what we want within reason. Most do not care what anyone else likes. Doesn't usually change what I prefer unless it gets me to try something new that I decide I prefer. I probably will not be trying a $5000 1911 anytime. If I did, chances are I would not think it was worth $5000.

My theory is it's just a way for peopel who can't shoot them well to justify the firearm as inferior.

I put Glock minus connectors in mine and give the trigger components a quick polish. I don't change the geometry or anything, just smooth any machining marks, etc. The results are a trigger that I am very happy with for the $15-$20 cost of the minus connector.

Sure, my buddy's Johnny Glock trigger that cost $290 feels really nice, but not $290 nice for a firearm that cost $499.

I can shoot a 1911 just as accurately as I can shoot a Glock and as accurately as I can shoot a DA/SA Beretta. The key is to be familiar with, and actually practice with the firearms.

[acaligunner]

H&K UPS & USPc 45
Then
Glock 21 45..

A 1911 ? Is that to go with your '03 Springfield? ..

[B yond]

I recently started carrying a GI 1911 clone. Bought it to add to the collection with no intention of carrying it, went to the range with it and shot it so well that I went back an hour later to qualify to CCW it. Did the qual rapid-fire and scored 100%. I just love the way that gun shoots, and it's not a fancy or expensive 1911.

I have enjoyed shooting Glock in the past, and remember being impressed with the fit of the grip and how close the sights were to the bore. I do not recall particularly liking the trigger, but I don't recall hating it either.

I do not currently own a Glock, nor do I ever intend to. No hate, I just have no interest from a collecting point of view and they don't meet my personal requirements for a carry gun.

I am in the market for another 1911.

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I don't think that Glock triggers are anywhere near as bad as some people think they are. Not even close.

Could the last brand new stock G34 trigger I shot have been improved with a $15 connector? Yeah, but it was fine stock too.

I personally do not like or prefer most stock Glock triggers, but to me a $15 - $25 part that takes 1 minute to swap in is not a big deal and I like those just as much as a PPQ trigger for example. No need to be that light IMHO. Nothing to love about a 1911 trigger's reset IMHO. So subjective, but in this hobby there are a lot of us that could be more self-aware. Also, this is the internet and we can say what we want within reason. Most do not care what anyone else likes. Doesn't usually change what I prefer unless it gets me to try something new that I decide I prefer. I probably will not be trying a $5000 1911 anytime. If I did, chances are I would not think it was worth $5000.

Is comparing a Glock trigger to a 1911 trigger the same as comparing a stock military type AR trigger to an after market AR trigger or is it more like comparing stock SKS trigger to a stock AR trigger? Is it like wow that after market AR trigger has much better reset than stock or wow that SKS has a much better reset than AR?

[Verdha603]

Not angry or on a high horse, just letting you know that even though the AR is older than the Mini 14, it is not older in terms of design. If you do not believe me compare the Mini's design to the M1 Garand's.

You may as well be comparing apples to oranges and toss a back a forth of each rifle having design features that go back decades (you can trace the Mini-14 design all the way back to the 1920's with early Garand prototypes and the direct gas impingement design of the AR-15 can be traced back to the 1930's with French semi-automatic rifle prototypes).

As a former owner of a Mini-14 (frankly it's the one M1/M1A style design that I do not miss at all), I have taken it apart and set it side by side with my M1 Garand and M1A and find the design itself is not as similar as many people make it out to believe. Jim Sullivan, the designer tasked by Bill Ruger to create the Mini-14, had to make many changes to the basic design to make it cheaper and simpler to manufacture, with the biggest changes aimed at the gas piston system and the rotating bolt design; both may be aesthetically similar to an M1A or M1 Garand, but the way it actually functions is not the same; the gas piston on the Mini-14 is simplified and changed enough that I could more easily compare the gas piston to someone flipping a Kalashnikov gas piston upside down instead of an M1A gas piston, let alone an M1 Garand's gas system.

Ironically Forgotten Weapons does a pretty good job providing a side by side comparison of how the Mini-14 did take many design inspirations from the M1A, but had to also make significant mechanical changes to meet Ruger's expectations of an affordable "miniaturized" M1-style rifle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxLrz1vTloI

Externally the Mini-14 looks similar to a Garand or M1A, but under the hood there's enough differences that calling it a very similar design would be akin to saying a Ruger's 10/22 is similarly designed to the M1 carbine or that the Ruger Mark series pistol is very similar internally to a Japanese Nambu.

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You may as well be comparing apples to oranges and toss a back a forth of each rifle having design features that go back decades (you can trace the Mini-14 design all the way back to the 1920's with early Garand prototypes and the direct gas impingement design of the AR-15 can be traced back to the 1930's with French semi-automatic rifle prototypes).

As a former owner of a Mini-14 (frankly it's the one M1/M1A style design that I do not miss at all), I have taken it apart and set it side by side with my M1 Garand and M1A and find the design itself is not as similar as many people make it out to believe. Jim Sullivan, the designer tasked by Bill Ruger to create the Mini-14, had to to make many changes to the basic design to make it cheaper and simpler to manufacture, with the biggest changes aimed at the gas piston system and the rotating bolt design; both may be aesthetically similar to an M1A or M1 Garand, but the way it actually functions is not the same; the gas piston on the Mini-14 is simplified and changed enough that I could more easily compare the gas piston to someone flipping a Kalashnikov gas piston upside down instead of an M1A gas piston, let alone an M1 Garand's gas system.

Ironically Forgotten Weapons does a pretty good job providing a side by side comparison of how the Mini-14 did take many design inspirations from the M1A, but had to also make significant changes to meet Ruger's expectations of an affordable "miniaturized" M1-style rifle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxLrz1vTloI

Externally the Mini-14 looks similar to a Garand or M1A, but under the hood there's enough differences that calling it a very similar design would be akin to saying a Ruger's 10/22 is similarly designed to the M1 carbine or that the Ruger Mark series pistol is very similar internally to a Japanese Nambu.

The design, both Mini and M1 Garand have same type bolts, that are operated with the same type op rod that the gas acts on, both also use the same design receivers and trigger groups they even lock into the stock the same. . The M1 carbine uses the same type design with its bolt op rod system as the M1 Garand, M14 and Mini 14 even though they look different. The way the op rod is activated is different design with the M1 Carbine and M14 using pistons, The Mini 14 and Garand are both same by having gas act directly on the op rod, they just reversed the gas cylinder and piston on the Mini. They do not have to be exactly the same to be the same design.

[crufflers]

Is comparing a Glock trigger to a 1911 trigger the same as comparing a stock military type AR trigger to an after market AR trigger or is it more like comparing stock SKS trigger to a stock AR trigger? Is it like wow that after market AR trigger has much better reset than stock or wow that SKS has a much better reset than AR?

I don' think it is... pistols are different, different role. Pistols with no manual safety are also different IMHO. On the other hand, I can see where you are coming from I think. I do not prefer stock Glock triggers (though the last GEN3 G34 my cousin bought is the best I have felt)... I do not prefer Milspec AR triggers. I don't mind my Romanian SKS trigger... probably because it is on a $140 gun and I just don't care (it is an accurate SKS).

I like CMC 3.5 triggers for the pull and the reset... I also like the Geissele SSA-E, Hiperfire EDT3, RISE (the cheap one), LaRue triggers that came with my UU kits... but CMC is my favorite. They are not the lightest, but some Milspec groups feel really bad IMHO. I don't think you can beat the reset of the EDT3 which is a $90 trigger.

It is subjective and most people simply know what they like when they feel/shoot it... sometimes when you actually shoot a gun, a heavy gritty, stagey, spongey trigger doesn't make much difference at all and other times a trigger is so bad it makes a big difference.

People have different peeves... I do not like harsh gritty walls and hate stacking... like a Makarov or a stock Ruger SP-101 .22 come to mind.

I'd rather shoot a stock Glock trigger than a Milspec AR trigger. For sure. BUT I don't have any stock Glock triggers.

WHAT IS STOCK are both my 1911 triggers AFAIK, they are both pretty nice 1911 triggers... I also admit, I do not think that is what makes a great pistol (a light trigger pull alone).

[Rifle ronin]

The 1911 guys are just pissed about putting an rmr on their precious 1911's! 😆