What is wrong with Glock's???

[Rifle ronin]

Jchavasu "That phrase always cracks me up. The media loves to use that when in reality a lot of the time "military grade" means "the lowest bid that we still paid too much for".

I'm not laughing about Glocks specifically or your post, it's just that phrase as it is so often used."

Agreed about "military grade"

Disagree that Sig P320 (M17 & M18) isn't worth at least $200 per unit

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My perception of "military grade" is the fact that it is used by militaries throughout the world and battle proven. Isn't an m9 beretta military grade?

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Jchavasu "That phrase always cracks me up. The media loves to use that when in reality a lot of the time "military grade" means "the lowest bid that we still paid too much for".



I'm not laughing about Glocks specifically or your post, it's just that phrase as it is so often used."







My perception of "military grade" is the fact that it is used by militaries throughout the world and battle proven. Isn't an m9 beretta military grade?

If the M9 is so good, then why is it being replaced?

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[norcalAF]

If the M9 is so good, then why is it being replaced?

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Money and politics

[Carcassonne]

Gaston has everything you want!!!!

Like a 20 year old blonde haired wife.


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[Rifle ronin]

If the M9 is so good, then why is it being replaced?

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Already answered (politics)

Wasn't the almighty 1911 replaced?

Jchavasu implied that military grade means low quality, I see it as a qualified military proven weapon. I like beretta and think they are fine pistol.

[choprzrul]

John Moses Browning determined ideal grip angle.

Glock wandered away from ideal with their crazy grip angle.

So....when OP asks what is wrong with Glocks, we can confidently answer "JMB blasphemy"

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[five.five-six]

Military grade

[Rifle ronin]

LMAO. Weapon of war LOL


But just for fun, which military ever used glocks to win a war?

No rush, I’ll wait LOL

Wow! Troll much?

Never said win wars. Do you need help googling what militaries use glocks?

[JCHavasu]

Agreed about "military grade"

Disagree that Sig P320 (M17 & M18) isn't worth at least $200 per unit

Oh I agree completely. Our government sometimes gets things right in spite of itself. I would take a P320 at $200 all day long.

My perception of "military grade" is the fact that it is used by militaries throughout the world and battle proven. Isn't an m9 beretta military grade?

Already answered (politics)

Wasn't the almighty 1911 replaced?

Jchavasu implied that military grade means low quality, I see it as a qualified military proven weapon. I like beretta and think they are fine pistol.

My point is that "military grade" doesn't necessarily mean high quality, nor does it necessarily mean low quality. Our government/military buys things based on politics, cost, etc. They do not always buy the best. Just because it is used by the military does not mean it is the best quality.

[n8vrmind]

Military grade is just it meets requirement specified by the particular armed forces. Cost is always a factor. Not necessarily better or worse. Just depends on the role. Glock is a fine HD and service sidearm.

E.g. "military grade" ammo vs. match ammo.
You wanna to go bang and cycle in every weapon in the arsenal? Or do you want to make the tightest group possible?

[Rifle ronin]

Oh I agree completely. Our government sometimes gets things right in spite of itself. I would take a P320 at $200 all day long.






My point is that "military grade" doesn't necessarily mean high quality, nor does it necessarily mean low quality. Our government/military buys things based on politics, cost, etc. They do not always buy the best. Just because it is used by the military does not mean it is the best quality.

And I was not saying a Glock was the best quality, only that is has met a standard for many armies and law enforcement agencies.

I can agree with what you say. I see it as a minimum standard and price that the manufacturer has to achieve for usage and serviceableable/replaceable parts. It may not be the best or worst, but it has achieved a standard for military use.

As to say- A Hi Point is not a military grade weapon.
(Not trolling, just using as a point of argument)

[plumbum]

Money and politics

Pretty sure that’s what got us the M9 to begin with...

Hell, the only reason we have Glocks was because Gaston wanted that fat government contract for what would become the P80/G17 - the guy was doing fine making shovels and knives.

[Phalanx20mm]

Everything wrong with a Glock can't be fixed:
1) Terrible trigger, feels like squeezing a marshmallow.
2) Blocky uncomfortable grip at an awkward angle.
3) Questionable grip material, does make a safe chew toy for a dog though.
4) Low, left.

[norcalAF]

Funny how most things can be traced back to the two.

[JCHavasu]

And I was not saying a Glock was the best quality, only that is has met a standard for many armies and law enforcement agencies.

I can agree with what you say. I see it as a minimum standard and price that the manufacturer has to achieve for usage and serviceableable/replaceable parts. It may not be the best or worst, but it has achieved a standard for military use.

As to say- A Hi Point is not a military grade weapon.
(Not trolling, just using as a point of argument)

I get you. As I said, my comment was really not aimed at your use of the phrase, but how the media uses it. The military sets minimum standards for equipment and then solicits bids. A lot of things go into the final selection, but quality is not the only factor by any means.

Glock is a fine handgun, as is Sig, Beretta, the 1911, etc. Militaries change firearms for many reasons, and generally not because the weapon is "bad".

Now as for the Hi-Point, it might meet some "miitary grade" standards. What are the Iranians using?