What is wrong with Glock's???

[Transient]

Yes I did. That is why I've said "military grade" is the cheapest product that meets certain criteria. After all, the military's vetting process includes service life criteria, not reliability life criteria. There is a difference. In some cases it's possible the more expensive product will be cheaper overtime with servicing costs added in, but it's more expensive to buy initially so it won't be bought. After all, service life requires a proverbial crystal ball to predict the future, and military leaders have to answer to the people via Congress as to why something was so expensive at first when they could've bought another similar product for much less. Just look at all the flak the military has received over the last decade about the EMALs system on the Ford carriers or the F35 jet.

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[Rifle ronin]

Yes I did. That is why I've said "military grade" is the cheapest product that meets certain criteria. After all, the military's vetting process includes service life criteria, not reliability life criteria. There is a difference. In some cases it's possible the more expensive product will be cheaper overtime with servicing costs added in, but it's more expensive to buy initially so it won't be bought. After all, service life requires a proverbial crystal ball to predict the future, and military leaders have to answer to the people via Congress as to why something was so expensive at first when they could've bought another similar product for much less. Just look at all the flak the military has received over the last decade about the EMALs system on the Ford carriers or the F35 jet.

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So now it meets a certain criteria....

Not what you said earlier..

"First, military grade typically does mean low quality because it satisfies the military's requirements for the cheapest price."

[Transient]

So now it meets a certain criteria....

Not what you said earlier..

"First, military grade typically does mean low quality because it satisfies the military's requirements for the cheapest price."

Um, you lose.... Let's break this down.

So now it meets a certain criteria....

First, military grade typically does mean low quality because it satisfies the military's requirements for the cheapest price."

1:*a standard on which a judgment or decision may be based

ex: the university's*criteria*for admission

2:*a*characterizing*mark or trait

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/criterion

a:*something wanted or needed*:*NECESSITY

production was not sufficient to satisfy military*requirements

b:*something essential to the existence or occurrence of something else*:*CONDITION

failed to meet the school's*requirements*for graduation

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/requirement

Any question?

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[Rifle ronin]

1:*a standard on which a judgment or decision may be based

ex: the university's*criteria*for admission

2:*a*characterizing*mark or trait

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/criterion

a:*something wanted or needed*:*NECESSITY

production was not sufficient to satisfy military*requirements

b:*something essential to the existence or occurrence of something else*:*CONDITION

failed to meet the school's*requirements*for graduation

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/requirement

Any question?

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Your statement..
"First, military grade typically does mean low quality because it satisfies the military's requirements for the cheapest price."

Your first statement said the requirements are the lowest price, correct?

Then you backpeddle and say there are other criteria such as service life? Correct

So, are there other handguns that were tested besides the Sig and Glock?

Your quote..
"After all, the military's vetting process includes service life criteria, not reliability life criteria."

Also to show that you lose, here a quote for ya...

The U.S. Army initially required the MHS to be more effective, accurate, and reliable than the M9 pistol.

[Transient]

Are you a product of the California public education system? I get that it's not the best in the country, but I didn't think it was this difficult to read. If you use Google Translate you'll be able to translate what I write into whatever language is your first language. Hopefully that'll help you understand.

First, "criteria" and "requirement" are synonyms. I've, unfortunately, had to demonstrate that to you.

Second, I didn't back peddle anything. Which district of California do you hail from for your chair in Sacramento? Claiming somebody backpeddled after you misrepresent what they actually said is a move a politician makes.

It's very well known when the military tests products to determine if it performed per their criteria. When they have more than 1 product that passes their testing they'll look at price. The cheapest product wins. I've said this more than once.


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[Rifle ronin]

Are tou a product of the California public education system?

First, "criteria" and "requirement" are synonyms.

Second, I didn't back peddle anything.

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I can tell you are a perfect model of the public school system. Your logic in arguments and writing skills are a testiment to it.

Your done. I quoted you directly from your own posts. I will not argue any more with you because you only deflect and insult. Clearly you cannot handle clear reasoning.
Thanks for playing though, it was fun.

[Transient]

I can tell you are a perfect model of the public school system. Your logic in arguments and writing skills are a testiment to it.

Your done. I quoted you directly from your own posts. I will not argue any more with you because you only deflect and insult. Clearly you cannot handle clear reasoning.
Thanks for playing though, it was fun.

No you didn't. Quit lying. You paraphrased out of context.

However, there's a nice little gem in post #116 from you. You claimed the M9 was replaced due to politics. But, in post #162 you posted this:

The U.S. Army initially required the MHS to be more effective, accurate, and reliable than the M9 pistol.

Who is actually back peddling? Who isn't sticking to their position? Flip flop like Mitt Romney?

As for my education, I wasn't raised in California. The state were i grew up consistently ranks top 5 for education. California is what, 41?

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[JCHavasu]

Looks like I started a ruckus...

[DoNotReply]

Glocks are work horses. Never even had a malfunction with either of them that I remember. I have other pistols I shoot for fun and are prettier but it SHTF I'm grabbing the Glock.

[L84CABO]

Because day ugly!

[five.five-six]

I finally shot my G19 yesterday. I took the wife and kids out shooting in the sticks. I made powderpuff rounds for my 9-year-old who wanted to shoot a glock because fortnight.... He had fun.

Then I had my wife shoot it with grownup rounds and she liked it... then I handed her a Beretta 96. Before she even shot it she says: "Well, this is a quality gun, that other gun felt cheep". She proceeded to shoot the Beretta for the rest of the day....

[benz510]

I own about 5 different glocks. After the first purchase I should have learned my lesson but nope! They're accurate. Made of plastic. You can throw dirt in them but they'll still fire. They have too many accessories u can buy for them. Most 9mm mags are compatible with each 9mm model. But I do appreciate the plastic sights they come with. That's probably the only upside.

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[Transient]

I own about 5 different glocks. After the first purchase I should have learned my lesson but nope! They're accurate. Made of plastic. You can throw dirt in them but they'll still fire. They have too many accessories u can buy for them. Most 9mm mags are compatible with each 9mm model. But I do appreciate the plastic sights they come with. That's probably the only upside.

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You think? I just shipped this to Florida the other day for a trigger job.

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[benz510]

You think? I just shipped this to Florida the other day for a trigger job.

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That looks awesome for a glock. Just got mine back from a inexpensive stipple job.



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[epilepticninja]

You beat me to it. And this is why I have three of them. You can't go wrong with success.