CCW

[RobG]

I understand that most counties are liberal in CCW issuance. But until the entire state is the same way, Commiefornia has a long way to go.

[tuna quesadilla]

Meanwhile in the incredibly intelligent state of Missouri, people are shooting each other over arguments about their dogs...

http://abc7.com/father-killed-at-bar-after-fight-over-german-shepherds-weight/3069130/

[simonp]

There are some facts being presented here, that may well be technically true, but are not in reality true. Riverside going green?

As far as I know, per personal knowledge of recent family permit application, the sheriff advertises that he is very gun friendly and that 90%+ of the applicants get a permit. But if you call down there and talk to the 1 deputy that handles all the ccw's, he will set up a appointment that is 1-2 yrs down the road, at which time most people give up. Then there is a very restrictive process that may very well take another year or more.

I made a brief internet search to find a list of permits issued by county, and I couldn't find anything current. Anyone help here?

I think this would be the best info to actually see who issues.

A lot of sheriffs also play numbers games. Increased number of permits by 50%, etc.? So he went from 2 to 3?

In reality, most Californians cannot get a ccw where they currently live. I think LA county has less than 1,000 permits for a population of about 4 million.

San Diego probably has about the same percentage.

SLO? Not too many.

SF Bay Area - not so many!


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[CSACANNONEER]

I apologise for not knowing that California res can carry in the state capital and bars with out any extra training which is what Ark is requiring , thanks for clearing that up .As far as news flash I'm pretty sure that was your words not mine . Also thanks for pointing out that most states already allow CCW to carry in their state capital and bars as after all that is the gfz Ark is issuing permits for .I guess you are right ,I do need to learn more about CCW and should be thankful you straightened me out .

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Now you are talking specifics. So, I'll clear those two locations up for you. California does not require additional training to carry at the state capitol but, in 2012, California did pass a law to which has additional requirements (obtaining two letters of permission) to carry at the Capitol. Before that, there were no additional requirements. As far as carrying in bars go, there is no state law forbidding it but, there is a stipulation about bars on the application. Until case law makes it clear, we are not positive if we can or can't legally carry in bars. But, we sure don't require additional training to carry in many other GFZs like other government building, public meetings, hospitals, etc.

[baggss]

There are some facts being presented here, that may well be technically true, but are not in reality true. Riverside going green?

Riversides issues have nothing to do with the Sheriffs 2A stance and everything to do with the lack of funding in their budget. Stan Sniff is very pro 2A. They can't afford to hire enough officers to meet their bare patrol requirements, so the CCW unit is staffed at the bare minimum.

I made a brief internet search to find a list of permits issued by county, and I couldn't find anything current. Anyone help here?
I think this would be the best info to actually see who issues.
A lot of sheriffs also play numbers games. Increased number of permits by 50%, etc.? So he went from 2 to 3?
In reality, most Californians cannot get a ccw where they currently live. I think LA county has less than 1,000 permits for a population of about 4 million.
San Diego probably has about the same percentage.
SLO? Not too many.

Follow either link in my sig and you will find a table with the best numbers available to the public. Roughly 44% of eligible adults in CA can get a permit if they want one. The reality is many do not want one regardless of their ability to get one. That 44% is about 12 million people, yet there are less than 100,000 active permits statewide. The demand isn't really there, for any number of reasons. If SD continues down the path of loosening their GC requirement the number will shift to something like 52% eligibility.

[Pofoo]

Riversides issues have nothing to do with the Sheriffs 2A stance and everything to do with the lack of funding in their budget. Stan Sniff is very pro 2A. They can't afford to hire enough officers to meet their bare patrol requirements, so the CCW unit is staffed at the bare minimum.

Follow either link in my sig and you will find a table with the best numbers available to the public. Roughly 44% of eligible adults in CA can get a permit if they want one. The reality is many do not want one regardless of their ability to get one. That 44% is about 12 million people, yet there are less than 100,000 active permits statewide. The demand isn't really there, for any number of reasons. If SD continues down the path of loosening their GC requirement the number will shift to something like 52% eligibility.

OK, technically many adults in Riverside can get a permit, but it is not easy or quick. How many in person visits, during normal working hours, are needed to complete their process? Why can't some of the work be done by non sworn personnel like in other counties? What ever the reason, I'm just stating that the Riverside process discourages people to apply, and does not seem to be ccw friendly to me.

https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/crime_courts/2018/01/04/want-carry-gun-riverside-county-you-have-wait-two-years-just-considered/991704001/

LA??

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/12/26/la-county-only-197-concealed-carry-permits-for-10-2-million-residents/

San Diego?http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...104-story.html
Many of the requirements of unfriendly counties are way above state mandates.
Think how many permits would be issued if the counties went with just the required state mandate, which in itself is quite a process, in a timely manner, at a reasonable cost. That would constitute friendly to me.
Technically and practically are not the same.