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[MrTokarev]

I keep asking this, is ammo in Nevada or Arizona so cheap that buying there is worth it?? Seems lots of people are worried about importing ammo and making trips to buy out of state, but why?

In 2019 buying ammo in CA will require a background check. For some people, avoiding that is enough of a reason.

Some people will do it out of the principle that they have a moral duty to disobey an unjust law.

I'm not making judgments on anyone's motivations but there are reasons people will pursue this beyond just saving a few cents a round.

[Eureka1911]

In 2019 buying ammo in CA will require a background check. For some people, avoiding that is enough of a reason.

Ok, I get that, but that's not for 18 months. And what's the worry there anyhow? I have to pass a background check every time I buy a new gun. I also have to pass one every year for my work, so I guess I'm less sensitive to them.

Some people will do it out of the principle that they have a moral duty to disobey an unjust law.

I get that too. It's a stupid law that will have zero impact on crime.

I'm not making judgments on anyone's motivations but there are reasons people will pursue this beyond just saving a few cents a round.

Fair enough. I'm hoping as time goes by more FFLs become open to receiving ammo shipments. Might be misplaced optimism, but that's where I'm at.

[jeremiah12]

In 2019 buying ammo in CA will require a background check. For some people, avoiding that is enough of a reason.

Some people will do it out of the principle that they have a moral duty to disobey an unjust law.

I'm not making judgments on anyone's motivations but there are reasons people will pursue this beyond just saving a few cents a round.

I am old enough to remember a time when as a kid in CA I could walk into the local hardware store carrying my .22 and buy a couple boxes of .22s. I would then walk out, get on my bike and ride to the nearby levee that us kids used for our local gun range. Nobody called the police. In fact, the police would stop by from time to time to make sure we were being safe and give shooting tips.

My FIL grew up in this state and remembers a time when he could buy guns from private parties and not have to go through a FFL for the transfer. He and many of his friends still buy their guns this way because the government does not need to know what guns they own.

My MIL was born under the rule of the NAZI regime and then had to live several years under the Russian liberators before her parents were able to escape to the west. Her relatives that are living here and in Germany have a stash of guns and ammo that were not obtained through government approved methods. When I first started dating my wife, her grandfather told me how gun registration worked under the NAZIs and then eventually resulted in confiscation. After registration, he had to show papers to buy ammo to make sure he was only buying ammo for the two guns he had registered. He only needed to buy 40 rounds a year for each gun. If he bought more, the police would want to know what he was doing with that extra ammo.

So saving a few cents is not the goal for some of us. Some of us refuse to comply because we do not want to get added to yet another state database. We do not want our tax money to support the state's anti-gun efforts. We live in a state where most of us commit on average 2 felonies a day without knowing it. Look at all the environmental laws there are.

This stupid ammo law is not going to reduce crimes committed with guns. Criminals will still get all the ammo they want. They are getting all the guns they want without background checks. They are getting all the illegal drugs they want. Raising the cigarette tax by $2 a pack just increased the flow of black market cigarettes from Oregon, NV, and Mexico.

I live 2 hours from NV. Every morning people can catch a bus to Reno or Carson City. They pay $30 and when they get there, they get $30 in tokens to the casino that sponsored the bus for that day. There are people that go, spend some time gambling and buy several cartons of cigarettes to sell to friends when they return. These are retired people. They get a free trip and make some money on the side. I would not be surprised if some now come back with ammo.

The bus to Carson City does not even pass through an Ag station as it goes over Highway 88. My MIL likes to take that one in the winter to see the snow.

For people who go out of state for whatever reason, picking up ammo while out of state is something to add to their to do list. There are many like me that make the trip 4 to 6 times a year. I already buy things in NV that I cannot legally buy in CA. The difference is most of the things are not illegal to bring back to CA. If I ever did bring something back to CA that was illegal to have in CA, I would never advertise it either.

I know from talking with people where I live, that so many are tired of CA regulating more and more and banning things that many just do not care. It is not uncommon when one tells a good friend that you are going to NV for the weekend to hear a request to pick up a can of R134 refrigerant that does not have that stupid CA deposit or the winter washer fluid that will not freeze down to 0 degrees that is not legal to sell in CA or the epoxy from TAP plastics for joining two pieces of acrylic together that is not legal to sell in CA anymore. The end result is CA politicians and regulators are cutting off a source of tax revenue, forcing businesses to close because they can no longer sell products because people buy them out of state and so further increase unemployment and reduce tax revenue.

If I lived as close to OR as you do, I would save up for at least one trip a year to Oregon to stock up on ammo. The savings from not paying sales tax would be a huge incentive. The drive would make a great trip, especially along the coast. You could plan ahead and pre-order a case or two and probably get a discount. It would be even easier if you have family living in OR.

More importantly, it is not the money saved but the principal of buying ammo like a free American. Spend time outside of CA and experience living in free America where the government does not give a damn about your guns or ammo and police do not freak out when they pull you over and see a gun in the car. They experience that every day.

[sfe187]

I am old enough to remember a time when as a kid in CA I could walk into the local hardware store carrying my .22 and buy a couple boxes of .22s. I would then walk out, get on my bike and ride to the nearby levee that us kids used for our local gun range. Nobody called the police. In fact, the police would stop by from time to time to make sure we were being safe and give shooting tips.

My FIL grew up in this state and remembers a time when he could buy guns from private parties and not have to go through a FFL for the transfer. He and many of his friends still buy their guns this way because the government does not need to know what guns they own.

My MIL was born under the rule of the NAZI regime and then had to live several years under the Russian liberators before her parents were able to escape to the west. Her relatives that are living here and in Germany have a stash of guns and ammo that were not obtained through government approved methods. When I first started dating my wife, her grandfather told me how gun registration worked under the NAZIs and then eventually resulted in confiscation. After registration, he had to show papers to buy ammo to make sure he was only buying ammo for the two guns he had registered. He only needed to buy 40 rounds a year for each gun. If he bought more, the police would want to know what he was doing with that extra ammo.

So saving a few cents is not the goal for some of us. Some of us refuse to comply because we do not want to get added to yet another state database. We do not want our tax money to support the state's anti-gun efforts. We live in a state where most of us commit on average 2 felonies a day without knowing it. Look at all the environmental laws there are.

This stupid ammo law is not going to reduce crimes committed with guns. Criminals will still get all the ammo they want. They are getting all the guns they want without background checks. They are getting all the illegal drugs they want. Raising the cigarette tax by $2 a pack just increased the flow of black market cigarettes from Oregon, NV, and Mexico.

I live 2 hours from NV. Every morning people can catch a bus to Reno or Carson City. They pay $30 and when they get there, they get $30 in tokens to the casino that sponsored the bus for that day. There are people that go, spend some time gambling and buy several cartons of cigarettes to sell to friends when they return. These are retired people. They get a free trip and make some money on the side. I would not be surprised if some now come back with ammo.

The bus to Carson City does not even pass through an Ag station as it goes over Highway 88. My MIL likes to take that one in the winter to see the snow.

For people who go out of state for whatever reason, picking up ammo while out of state is something to add to their to do list. There are many like me that make the trip 4 to 6 times a year. I already buy things in NV that I cannot legally buy in CA. The difference is most of the things are not illegal to bring back to CA. If I ever did bring something back to CA that was illegal to have in CA, I would never advertise it either.

I know from talking with people where I live, that so many are tired of CA regulating more and more and banning things that many just do not care. It is not uncommon when one tells a good friend that you are going to NV for the weekend to hear a request to pick up a can of R134 refrigerant that does not have that stupid CA deposit or the winter washer fluid that will not freeze down to 0 degrees that is not legal to sell in CA or the epoxy from TAP plastics for joining two pieces of acrylic together that is not legal to sell in CA anymore. The end result is CA politicians and regulators are cutting off a source of tax revenue, forcing businesses to close because they can no longer sell products because people buy them out of state and so further increase unemployment and reduce tax revenue.

If I lived as close to OR as you do, I would save up for at least one trip a year to Oregon to stock up on ammo. The savings from not paying sales tax would be a huge incentive. The drive would make a great trip, especially along the coast. You could plan ahead and pre-order a case or two and probably get a discount. It would be even easier if you have family living in OR.

More importantly, it is not the money saved but the principal of buying ammo like a free American. Spend time outside of CA and experience living in free America where the government does not give a damn about your guns or ammo and police do not freak out when they pull you over and see a gun in the car. They experience that every day.

roger that^^

[billped]

My reasoning for *considering* direct out-of-state purchases is threefold:
* Get the ammo cheaper (don't forget sales tax!);
* Keep out of the state's database;
* Flip the bird to pathetic state legislators who feel this will reduce crime.

Of course, like most of you I will continue to be a law abiding citizen who merely fantasizes about these acts of defiance.

[nedro]

I keep asking this, is ammo in Nevada or Arizona so cheap that buying there is worth it?? Seems lots of people are worried about importing ammo and making trips to buy out of state, but why?

The only scenario I can see is you g there and buy ammo but do not shoot it all. But then in order to get nabbed for the equivalent of a jay walking ticket you will need to be stopped for some legal reason, then searched, and then the ammo be determined to have been purchased out of state. All for a simple infraction ticket. No confiscation, no felony, no arrest, a simple infraction.

No, but to screw CA, it sure is!

[Notpc]

We did not have any fruits or vegetables, we've done this enough to know...they were concerned about some firewood...I never thought to decline to be searched. I think it was a training practice.

Now the one on I-80 this past June I'm not sure. Was two guys and they poked around, asking questions, opening containers, etc.

As for coming in from another country (Canada) I don't think you have a choice.

My Dad retired from the Department of Agriculture and I spent many of my formative years out in the lanes asking people where they were returning from or how far east have they been (playing inspector)? Never saw any shake downs like you are describing. They have an interest in certain states during certain times of the year when harvesting is taking place. They may ask to see your ice chest if you indicate you may have brought something back and may take your cherries or other produce if from these states. Firewood is a big concern because of the beetle infestation. Boats will be looked at closely because zebra mussels may be hitching a ride.

[boopiejones]

Not "grey" at all...

As I said California laws only cover acts which occur in the state.

You are fooling yourself.

if what you are saying is true, then why did they put a separate spousal exemption for both the background check AND importation laws? Assuming CA law would not cover importation of ammo obtained from a spouse when out of state, then there would be no need to put the spousal exemption into the importation section of the law as there would be no legal way to comply with the law unless, perhaps, your spouse lived in a different state.

[Chapped Hide]

why would they ask ID for any of that stuff?

Just clarifying for people in CA that are under the impression that they will be id'd in NV for purchasing items illegal in CA

[Chewy65]

if what you are saying is true, then why did they put a separate spousal exemption for both the background check AND importation laws? Assuming CA law would not cover importation of ammo obtained from a spouse when out of state, then there would be no need to put the spousal exemption into the importation section of the law as there would be no legal way to comply with the law unless, perhaps, your spouse lived in a different state.

For various reasons spouses often reside in different states. One moves home to care for aging parents, one moves to a different state for career reasons, some remain married for religious beliefs when others would have divorced. If transfers between a child and parent or exempt, why shouldn't an exchange between spouses also be exempt?

[otterpop]

Southern Oregon?

Maybe FUD, but on facebook (wife's, I dont have one) I just read a post from 3-4 hours ago by someone living there saying they (Walmart) was checking IDs for ammo sales in a discussion about our new ammo law.

Didn't elaborate but I'm assuming it was to check for Kommunist Infiltrators.

[mshill]

Southern Oregon?

Maybe FUD, but on facebook (wife's, I dont have one) I just read a post from 3-4 hours ago by someone living there saying they (Walmart) was checking IDs for ammo sales in a discussion about our new ammo law.

Didn't elaborate but I'm assuming it was to check for Kommunist Infiltrators.

Walmart checks IDs for birthdate only. Here, sometimes they just ask my birthdate, other times the clerk asks for my ID to verify the birthdate. Walmarts in Oregon don't give a **** about CA ammo laws, just profits.

[nedro]

Quote: Any CHP ammo checks driving back from Vegas?

Most likely-so I dug a tunnel last night at the Nevada border.




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[Wordupmybrotha]

Just keep repeating, "Am I being detained?"

[otterpop]

Walmart checks IDs for birthdate only. Here, sometimes they just ask my birthdate, other times the clerk asks for my ID to verify the birthdate. Walmarts in Oregon don't give a **** about CA ammo laws, just profits.

OK well I haven't bought ammo in a Walmart for years...makes sense. However, I wonder if some places may get fearful of such a transaction? CYA?

Idk I'm just so frustrated as I know "everyone" else here is.