Natural disaster, confiscation

[Jimi Jah]

Under that law the entire California legislature and Governer should be in prison.

Paper laws have little meaning here.

[God Bless America]

"[T]he privileges and immunities clause ... was interpreted to apply to national citizenship, not state citizenship."

[TMB 1]

Actually most everyone else has moved on.

Remembering what has happened in the past is a good thing. It helps to avoid similar situations, however fixation and myopia never helps.

Remember this happened over a decade ago.

In the time since thoughtful people sought to develop and institute training to help prevent similar situations. New laws to punish those who commit similar acts were made and passed.

So instead of ranting, raving and name calling .....

As I asked before...

What can be done in addition to what has already been done, to help prevent this from happening in the future?

Your answer is in your fiddletown quote. Made and passed doesn't mean they use them.

[SVT-40]

Your answer is in your fiddletown quote. Made and passed doesn't mean they use them.

It also does not mean they will not be enforced....

People who live in the "real" world recognize injustice, and do what they can to prevent future occurrences.

People who live in the "real" world recognize the inherent good and evil which exist in all men. They do not simply focus on the evil.

People who live in perpetual anger are not living in the "real" world. They live in their own fantasy of hate.

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It also does not mean they will not be enforced....

People who live in the "real" world recognize injustice, and do what they can to prevent future occurrences.

People who live in the "real" world recognize the inherent good and evil which exist in all men. They do not simply focus on the evil.

People who live in perpetual anger are not living in the "real" world. They live in their own fantasy of hate.

It's not hate they're living in it's fear. My guess is because the good aren't doing much about the evil.

Anyway as far as real world goes, I fear our government(especially in CA) and LEOs much more now at 51 than I did when I was 21, because of what I've seen and experienced in the real world.

[SVT-40]

It's not hate they're living in it's fear. My guess is because the good aren't doing much about the evil.

Well no similar acts have been committed since Katrina... Been many disasters as well as riots.

So maybe "much" has been done, and the training and laws were effective...

The facts seem to bear that out...



There is "reasonable" fear, and "unreasonable" fear...

Do you "fear" being injured or killed each time you drive your car?

Because facts show you are so much more likely to be injured or killed while driving than you are to be injured, killed by a LEO at any time or have your firearms taken by a LEO during a disaster.

Over 37,000 people die in road crashes each year
An additional 2.35 million are injured or disabled
Over 1,600 children under 15 years of age die each year
Nearly 8,000 people are killed in crashes involving drivers ages 16-20

Do you "fear" falling down?

Because here in the US Falls are the leading cause of fatal injury and the most common cause of nonfatal trauma-related hospital admissions among older adults.

Falls result in more than 2.8 million injuries treated in emergency departments annually, including over 800,000 hospitalizations and more than 27,000 deaths......




So in the "real" world living in fear of anything LEO related is not really that "reasonable"...

Remember in most cases you dictate how an encounter with a LEO will go..

Follow instructions and act reasonably and in all but the most wild situations you will be fine.

Anyway as far as real world goes, I fear our government(especially in CA) and LEOs much more now at 51 than I did when I was 21, because of what I've seen and experienced in the real world.

See above... Is your "fear" reasonable?

How many actual in person encounters with LEO's have you had?

How many have you had where you believe they acted improperly?

[MudCamper]

I've only skimmed this thread, but I don't think anybody has posted the actual laws. Back when both the fed and state govs passed laws making gun confiscation illegal, I saved these documents:

fed

state

These are just copies of the bills, but they are both law.

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Well no similar acts have been committed since Katrina... Been many disasters as well as riots.

So maybe "much" has been done, and the training and laws were effective...

The facts seem to bear that out...



There is "reasonable" fear, and "unreasonable" fear...

Do you "fear" being injured or killed each time you drive your car?

Because facts show you are so much more likely to be injured or killed while driving than you are to be injured, killed by a LEO at any time or have your firearms taken by a LEO during a disaster.

Over 37,000 people die in road crashes each year
An additional 2.35 million are injured or disabled
Over 1,600 children under 15 years of age die each year
Nearly 8,000 people are killed in crashes involving drivers ages 16-20

Do you "fear" falling down?

Because here in the US Falls are the leading cause of fatal injury and the most common cause of nonfatal trauma-related hospital admissions among older adults.

Falls result in more than 2.8 million injuries treated in emergency departments annually, including over 800,000 hospitalizations and more than 27,000 deaths......




So in the "real" world living in fear of anything LEO related is not really that "reasonable"...

Remember in most cases you dictate how an encounter with a LEO will go..

Follow instructions and act reasonably and in all but the most wild situations you will be fine.

Similar acts have been committed since Katrina just not at the same scale during a natural disaster. Lots of videos on net of people getting shot for having cell phone etc...

See above... Is your "fear" reasonable?

How many actual in person encounters with LEO's have you had?

How many have you had where you believe they acted improperly?

The encounters I've had is walking down the road with a firearm 30+ years ago. LEO pulls up "hey what are you doing" me "going hunting" LEO " ok good luck". Walking down road today. LEO pulls up points gun at you and says "drop the firearm, put your hands on your head" then handcuffs questions and runs you before letting you go. 30+ years ago get pulled over for brake light out get told "your brake light is out get it fixed or next time you get a ticket". Now get pulled over with one and it's automatic fix it ticket.

One winter recently I was pulled over and given a ticket for license plate light that wasn't even out, it was just covered with mud and dirt from the road at work. That means if they wanted they could have wrote me a ticket everyday. Also had a gun pointed at me on this one and told not to get out of the truck.

[pacrat]

help prevent any similar situations.

Gee, that is a term repeatedly used by a member of the Special Class. Yet still there are no PUBLIC condemnations by him of the Majority Special Class, which did nothing. Thereby condoning the illegal acts of the "some" he alludes to. The deflective obsfucations all still focus on the "some". Conveniently ignoring the Special Class status of all culpable parties.

Now using lame "drive a car" analogies as more dangerous than cops deflection.

Collective Long Term Memories last far beyond a 12 yr drop in the bucket. Just ask a Jew or an Armenian

And even though cops want to divest themselves of all wrong doing by "some" members of their Special Class. It just doesn't work that way in Public Perceptions of Special Classes.

New laws to punish those who commit similar acts were made and passed.

Oh Yeah, that'll work. Just like all the laws dating back to ratification of the BoR, kept the citizens of NO safe from JBTs in 2005. Anymore than they keep citizens safe today.

Atrocities under color of authority happen quite regularly. And even more are now being made public knowledge instantly with cameras in everyone's hands. All those atrocities are collectively added to the public perception of what happened post Katrina.

A law abiding citizen has no idea whether a simple contact with a cop will turn into crazy Ch!t or not. Yet they all know what officers Yanez, Noor, Slager, Sandy, Perez, etc, etc, etc did and continue to do, don't they? So yeah, fear, and suspicion of cops is not only reasonable it is warranted.

Do cops really think no one remembers this headline? Just 3 yrs ago.

Eight Los Angeles police officers who mistakenly opened fire on Los Angeles Times newspaper delivery women thinking they were rogue ex-cop Christopher Dorner in 2013 will not be criminally charged,

While 3 blocks away a bunch of Torrance PD Cowboys were doing the same to a surfer.

And immediately add it to the Collective Memory as just another Katrina like injustice? Where cops got off scott free for committing crimes under color of authority.

[SVT-40]

Similar acts have been committed since Katrina just not at the same scale during a natural disaster. Lots of videos on net of people getting shot for having cell phone etc...

This thread is about what happened during Katrina, and what would happen during a similar disaster...

People getting shot because the objects in their hands are a totally different subject, Unless you simply want to make this about any and all thing LEO related...

The encounters I've had is walking down the road with a firearm 30+ years ago. LEO pulls up "hey what are you doing" me "going hunting" LEO " ok good luck". Walking down road today. LEO pulls up points gun at you and says "drop the firearm, put your hands on your head" then handcuffs questions and runs you before letting you go. 30+ years ago get pulled over for brake light out get told "your brake light is out get it fixed or next time you get a ticket". Now get pulled over with one and it's automatic fix it ticket.

So 30 years ago you had a good contact with the police while carrying a rifle...

The other two scenarios were what you think might happen today....Not any real situation you were involved in...

One winter recently I was pulled over and given a ticket for license plate light that wasn't even out, it was just covered with mud and dirt from the road at work. That means if they wanted they could have wrote me a ticket everyday. Also had a gun pointed at me on this one and told not to get out of the truck.

So you complied with the Officers orders, and nothing happened...Except for the fix it ticket...

So two lifetime contacts with LEO's. The sum of which got you a fix it ticket for a license plate light...

and somehow you live in "fear" of LEO's

Do you really believe thats reasonable?

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This thread is about what happened during Katrina, and what would happen during a similar disaster...

People getting shot because the objects in their hands are a totally different subject, Unless you simply want to make this about any and all thing LEO related...




So 30 years ago you had a good contact with the police while carrying a rifle...

The other two scenarios were what you think might happen today....Not any real situation you were involved in...





So you complied with the Officers orders, and nothing happened...Except for the fix it ticket...

So two lifetime contacts with LEO's. The sum of which got you a fix it ticket for a license plate light...

and somehow you live in "fear" of LEO's

Do you really believe thats reasonable?

Two? I just listed five.

[SVT-40]

Gee, that is a term repeatedly used by a member of the Special Class. Yet still there are no PUBLIC condemnations by him of the Majority Special Class, which did nothing. Thereby condoning the illegal acts of the "some" he alludes to. The deflective obsfucations all still focus on the "some". Conveniently ignoring the Special Class status of all culpable parties.

Now using lame "drive a car" analogies as more dangerous than cops deflection.

Collective Long Term Memories last far beyond a 12 yr drop in the bucket. Just ask a Jew or an Armenian

And even though cops want to divest themselves of all wrong doing by "some" members of their Special Class. It just doesn't work that way in Public Perceptions of Special Classes.



Oh Yeah, that'll work. Just like all the laws dating back to ratification of the BoR, kept the citizens of NO safe from JBTs in 2005. Anymore than they keep citizens safe today.

Atrocities under color of authority happen quite regularly. And even more are now being made public knowledge instantly with cameras in everyone's hands. All those atrocities are collectively added to the public perception of what happened post Katrina.

A law abiding citizen has no idea whether a simple contact with a cop will turn into crazy Ch!t or not. Yet they all know what officers Yanez, Noor, Slager, Sandy, Perez, etc, etc, etc did and continue to do, don't they? So yeah, fear, and suspicion of cops is not only reasonable it is warranted.

Do cops really think no one remembers this headline? Just 3 yrs ago.



While 3 blocks away a bunch of Torrance PD Cowboys were doing the same to a surfer.

And immediately add it to the Collective Memory as just another Katrina like injustice? Where cops got off scott free for committing crimes under color of authority.

Pacrat it must suck to be such a bitter old man....

I can't imagine what being in your family must be like...

Never forgiving anyone for this misdeeds....

Do you ever try and think about solutions? Or is all you ever do is whine and complain?

I really feel sorry for you.....

[SVT-40]

Two? I just listed five.

Walking down road today. LEO pulls up points gun at you and says "drop the firearm, put your hands on your head" then handcuffs questions and runs you before letting you go. 30+ years ago get pulled over for brake light out get told "your brake light is out get it fixed or next time you get a ticket". Now get pulled over with one and it's automatic fix it ticket.

So these incidents occurred "today" and "now"?

The language you use indicates these incidents didn't actually happen, and are based on incidents which you were no part of.

Were you stopped "today" for carrying a rifle, or even in the recent past and handcuffed?

When you say "now" are you referring to a situation where you were actually stopped and cited for a brake light, and comparing that to an actually stop 30 years ago?

The language you used indicate that you are using comparisons which did not happen to you.

Remember related to armed individuals. Often LEO's are responding to calls made by others... It's their job to investigate and determine if any criminal activity is occurring.

But even if there were five incidents the sum of them was two fix it tickets....and no harm to you.

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So these incidents occurred "today" and "now"?

The language you use indicates these incidents didn't actually happen, and are based on incidents which you were no part of.

Were you stopped "today" for carrying a rifle, or even in the recent past and handcuffed?

When you say "now" are you referring to a situation where you were actually stopped and cited for a brake light, and comparing that to an actually stop 30 years ago?

The language you used indicate that you are using comparisons which did not happen to you.

Remember related to armed individuals. Often LEO's are responding to calls made by others... It's their job to investigate and determine if any criminal activity is occurring.

But even if there were five incidents the sum of them was two fix it tickets....and no harm to you.

The first time 30 years ago I was the one carrying the firearm. The second more recent, I wasn't carrying the firearm but I was there about 25 yards away or so on other side of road watching and know the guy. The brake light was me both times and I was never pulled over before with license plate light to make a comparison. The thing I know about armed individuals, is it is their right. We have a piece of paper that is suppose to be the law of the land that says it is. If they're not breaking the law. Why harass them?

[pacrat]

This thread is about what happened during Katrina, and what would happen during a similar disaster...

At least it was before you went off in the weeds about driving cars, falling off ladders, etc, etc, etc. Your obsfucatory deflective tactics of misdirection are nothing new. And easily countered with a thing called the truth.

What else can be done to keep cops from breaking the law, like they did post Katrina?

Is a question that has been many times answered here on CG. You again like always, deny culpability for your class. Just like many other cops here do.

So the only truthful answer is NOTHING. Your class will attempt to give the public perception of compliance. But the underlying problem will remain behind the facade.

As always a problem has to be acknowledged before it can be addressed. Your Class as a whole, just as you, as part of it, will never do what is truly necessary to stop victimizing citizens under color of authority. Whether in individual contacts, or en masse like Katrina.

A 30 plus year history bears witness to the problem you deny exists. A problem that your Special Class created when they embraced the "US v THEM" agenda that changed the role of cops from "citizen police" to State Enforcers. The role you chose as a Class, destroyed the trust and respect you so think you deserve from citizens.

Your Special Class created this widespread problem that destroyed the trust of the citizenry. Rather than admit culpability and work to resolve the problem from within. You consistently fall back on your stupid deflections and actually think it works for you.

A hundred law abiding citizens tell you that your Class created the problem here on CG. Only your Class can fix it. And you always without fail. Refuse to hear. Instead you reach into your little threadbare bag of useless verbal tricks and pull out. YOU HATE COPS!

If you as a member of your Special Class, truly want to improve public perception of your Class. You need to quit posting on internet forums. That is the single most effective thing you as an individual can possibly do for cops. Because your posts are a PR nightmare for good cops everywhere.