Haley has ND while demoing old school AK techniques...

[451040]

To me negligence implies liability for damage or potential damage.

To everyone else negligence is: failure to take the care that a responsible person usually takes: lack of normal care or attention

I think it is funny that there are still people (apparently have even watched the video) that do not get that he was demonstrating WHY those two techniques are bad and he disagrees with them.
I have no problem with him fingerbanging the trigger and the gun going off, it was what he was demonstrating could happen and low and behold thats what happened.

Who doesn't get that he was demonstrating improper trigger finger rest positions? Nobody other saftey Nazis would have a problem with him demonstrating why those techniques are bad. Any sane person would disagree with him doing it on a loaded chamber. Even Haley himself would disagree evidence his reaction to the round going off.

As fas as AD vs ND, the fact that that technique is TAUGHT in many countries as a standard practice and he was literally demonstrating why thats a bad idea defeats the argument of negligence.

That fact does no such thing.

HE called it that because hell ...

it was a ND.

... as you really cant be negligent following a technique to the letter and your finger slips, which is the problem with that technique.

The negligence is in demonstrating on a loaded chamber. Are you trying to say that it couldn't be demonstrated without a shot going off? Again, notice his own reaction. That tells you all you need to know.

[meno377]

To everyone else negligence is: failure to take the care that a responsible person usually takes: lack of normal care or attention



Who doesn't get that he was demonstrating improper trigger finger rest positions? Nobody other saftey Nazis would have a problem with him demonstrating why those techniques are bad. Any sane person would disagree with him doing it on a loaded chamber. Even Haley himself would disagree evidence his reaction to the round going off.


The negligence is in demonstrating on a loaded chamber. Are you trying to say that it couldn't be demonstrated without a shot going off? Again, notice his own reaction. That tells you all you need to know.

THIS^^^

The fact that he either was careless or forgetful that a live round was in the chamber is why it's a Negligent Discharge. It has nothing to do with his teachings on improper finger rest.

[dwalker]

To everyone else negligence is: failure to take the care that a responsible person usually takes: lack of normal care or attention



Who doesn't get that he was demonstrating improper trigger finger rest positions? Nobody other saftey Nazis would have a problem with him demonstrating why those techniques are bad. Any sane person would disagree with him doing it on a loaded chamber. Even Haley himself would disagree evidence his reaction to the round going off.



That fact does no such thing.



it was a ND.



The negligence is in demonstrating on a loaded chamber. Are you trying to say that it couldn't be demonstrated without a shot going off? Again, notice his own reaction. That tells you all you need to know.

I believe he intended to demonstrate what happened by accident, on purpose a bit later in the video, hence the live rounds, and earpro. He just got to demonstrate it much more realistically and a bit earlier than expected..

ETA: he did not "forget" there was a live round in, or that the safety was off. In the very beginning of the video he TELLS YOU he is taking the safety off... not forgetful or unaware...

[meno377]

I believe he intended to demonstrate what happened by accident, on purpose a bit later in the video, hence the live rounds, and earpro. He just got to demonstrate it much more realistically and a bit earlier than expected..

Which again confirms his negligence.

[orangeusa]

Hint - agree to disagree.

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[meno377]

Hint - agree to disagree.

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I like to think that we are in fact just doing that. I have my reasons to support my opinion just as others have their reasons. But I also believe that this subject is something not to be taken as trivial.

In situations like this thread, lives can be lost through someones negligence. To me, that makes this an important issue to discuss, and hopefully come to a common understanding that we all would abide by.

[SonofWWIIDI]

Also a good reminder to have ears on when doing any kind of drill with live ammo. Ouch!

Definitely...and safety first!

[therealnickb]

To everyone else negligence is: failure to take the care that a responsible person usually takes: lack of normal care or attention.


The negligence is in demonstrating on a loaded chamber. Are you trying to say that it couldn't be demonstrated without a shot going off? Again, notice his own reaction. That tells you all you need to know.

Had he endangered himself or someone else, I'd agree with you. He didn't.

[SonofWWIIDI]

[451040]

ETA: he did not "forget" there was a live round in, or that the safety was off. In the very beginning of the video he TELLS YOU he is taking the safety off... not forgetful or unaware...

It would be more forgivable if he had forgotten.

Had he endangered himself or someone else, I'd agree with you. He didn't.

That's irrelevant to the FACT that this is a case of a negligent discharge.

[therealnickb]

That's irrelevant to the FACT that this is a case of a negligent discharge.

We will disagree. So will any decent lawyer. If you eliminate to the best of your ability, any chance of injuring someone or damaging property, you have done what most reasonable people would do. Since he kept the weapon pointed at the backstop, what harm could have happened? None IMO. If there is no potential for injury or damage, there is no negligence.

Elements of a Negligence Claim

In order to win a negligence case, the plaintiff (the person injured) must prove the following four elements to show that the defendant (the person allegedly at fault) acted negligently:

Duty - The defendant owed a legal duty to the plaintiff under the circumstances;
Breach - The defendant breached that legal duty by acting or failing to act in a certain way;
Causation - It was the defendant's actions (or inaction) that actually caused the plaintiff's injury; and
Damages - The plaintiff was harmed or injured as a result of the defendant's actions.
- See more at: http://injury.findlaw.com/accident-i....8wqq65A8.dpuf

http://injury.findlaw.com/accident-injury-law/proving-fault-what-is-negligence.html

[cxr]

I was looking for this video to post after I saw it on IG. but I couldn't remember Haley name I kept thinking whats the other guy from the LUDUS video

[bluebird]

Whether Travis NDed or not I can see why he responded in a defensive manner considering his situation with Panteao. It would not stop me from following the safety rules and I will take his classes when time and money permits.

At the end of the day we can all learn something from this. Carry on people. My 2 cents.

[therealnickb]

vid no good

[max210]

No idea who this guy is or was. Apparently its like telling me Michael Schumacher ran a red light. Just plain ol dumb ND.

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