Haley has ND while demoing old school AK techniques...

[MarikinaMan]

He was shooting a video that covers ND. He was covering the subject of trigger holds that can cause ND. He had an ND in a CONTROLLED environment.

Some people just love bagging over others peoples mistakes, whether it be big or small.

World peace.

[calif 15-22]

No idea who this guy is or was. Apparently its like telling me Michael Schumacher ran a red light. Just plain ol dumb ND.

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Maybe not the best example
(prayers still for Sch . . . )

[pistolero805]

Bad all the way around. Two guys wounded and the knucklehead drops his gun and leaves it unattended with badguys. He's lucky it didn't end worse.

[CandG]

Bad all the way around. Two guys wounded and the knucklehead drops his gun and leaves it unattended with badguys. He's lucky it didn't end worse.

Oh wow, I didn't even notice those were bad guys, for some reason I thought this was like a police station locker room or something. You're right, that does make it much, much worse.

[Packy14]

I understand and explained why I disagree.

That's ok, but you're still wrong.

[therealnickb]

That's ok, but you're still wrong.

Good argument. You got me.

[diverwcw]

yes!

well, I only served 20 years in the .mil
served many roles from line coach to small arms marksmanship instructor to RSO/OIC
carried / manned several weapons systems in two theaters and garrison
retired as my NCW unit's armory supervisor with inventory including mk19's to m9's..

not to mention my personal collection including an m82a1 I've owned for over 10 years..

nope, never heard of him..

wish I had enough firearms experience to realize his greatness

This is laugh out loud great! Thank you!

[Packy14]

Had he endangered himself or someone else, I'd agree with you. He didn't.

Wonder where you typically go to shoot, because I want to stay the hell away from there while you "operate". He did not intend to have that round go down range... The fact no one got hurt is fortunate and does not change it from being an ND.

[therealnickb]

Wonder where you typically go to shoot, because I want to stay the hell away from there while you "operate". He did not intend to have that round go down range... The fact no one got hurt is fortunate and does not change it from being an ND.

LOL. I just noticed your insult. My range and I have been "operating" together since 1973. My member number is 063. There is currently about a year and half waiting list. So yes, be very afraid.....

The fact that there was no possibility of anyone getting hurt is the point you are missing. It was an accident in a controlled situation.

Go back and read the thread. Then if you wish to discuss or argue, come on back. I've made my opinion pretty clear in previous posts.

Or just tell me I'm wrong again and fling an insult......

[meno377]

LOL. I just noticed your insult. My range and I have been "operating" together since 1973. My member number is 063. There is currently about a year and half waiting list. So yes, be very afraid.....

The fact that there was no possibility of anyone getting hurt is the point you are missing. It was an accident in a controlled situation.

Go back and read the thread. Then if you wish to discuss or argue, come on back. I've made my opinion pretty clear in previous posts.

Or just tell me I'm wrong again and fling an insult......

It was an accident BECAUSE OF HIS NEGLIGENCE LOL. Accidents happen, but that doesn't erase the fact that his negligence caused the accident.

[therealnickb]

It was an accident BECAUSE OF HIS NEGLIGENCE LOL. Accidents happen, but that doesn't erase the fact that his negligence caused the accident.

Back at ya. I have explained why I disagree with the "everything" is an nd crowd. So, we will disagree.

[ENTHUSIAST]

For the guys defending Travis's ND saying it was safe because it was pointed down range what about potential hearing damage because he wasn't wearing ear pro?

What if one of the film crew didn't have their ears on and were standing too close filming the shot and got Tinnitus because he was demonstrating finger placement that he knew could cause an ND with a round in the chamber?

Weapon was hot when it should have been cold bottom line and he shouldn't have been weird and just admitted that fact and been done with it.

[therealnickb]

For the guys defending Travis's ND saying it was safe because it was pointed down range what about potential hearing damage because he wasn't wearing ear pro?

What if one of the film crew didn't have their ears on and were standing too close filming the shot and got Tinnitus because he was demonstrating finger placement that he knew could cause an ND with a round in the chamber?

Weapon was hot when it should have been cold bottom line and he shouldn't have been weird and just admitted that fact and been done with it.

I wrote early on, if he endangered someone his actions would be negligent IMO. Legal definitions agree with that too.

But in this case, it was his prep and planning that was negligent.Not the handling of his weapon from what I saw on the video. Or are people saying it's an ND everytime someone forgets their ears for the first shot at the range? Or not wearing any at all while hunting?

[Citadelgrad87]

I know I'm typically a "WRONG" black and white guy, but I honestly see both sides of this.

Negligence doesn't require harm, it just requires harm for someone to recover in a lawsuit. You can live a very dangerous life, but never harm anyone. I can speed and text while driving, etc, and just never hurt anyone, but I don't think anyone would say that someone who is lucky in this particular way isn't negligent.

Here's the way I see it. He said, before the round went, that he was demonstrating techniques that he doesn't like because, IIRC, they were unsafe. at all times, other than his finger around the trigger in a way he knew was likely to cause a discharge, his muzzle and the place he was handling were appropriate. Other than that technique, which he was criticizing, and therefore apparently doesn't use except to show why he doesn't like it, his handling was good.

On the other hand, he was clearly surprised at the discharge. His ears were around his neck. This wasn't when he intended to demonstrate the discharge. I don't think you can say that at some later point, he was going to ear up and loose a round, therefore it wasn't an ND to have done it earlier.

Tough call, but not the end of the world.

[Citizen_B]

The negligent vs. accident semantics debate is pretty silly, but here I go anyway. Put me in the ND camp. This is the proper industry term and what I consider all unintentional discharges. Sure, it's both accidental and negligent but an ND is what it's called.

Suppose you give a 5 year old North Korean girl a nuclear tipped bazooka. Do you think it's only a negligent act if she blows up a city? Do you call it an accident if her finger slips and 'safely' blows up a mountain?