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The first rule of a gunfight, is to not get into one...Comment
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A handgun in a car must be in a locked case. Like a briefcase. With locks. It must be unloaded in that locked case. Ammo can be in the same locked case but cannot in inserted or loaded into the handgun.
Options are a trunk. A trunk qualifies as a locked case as long as the Seats don't fold down from inside the car. Again, ammo can be in the same trunk.
A center console and a glovebox Do Not qualify as a locked container.
Ammo can be stored anywhere in the car.
Where are you guys getting this stuff? NONE of the CA PC on guns makes mention of whether seats fold down. And when they renumbered everything, they removed the statement that the trunk qualifies as a locked container.It was not a threat. It was an exaggerated response to an uncompromising stance. I was taught never to make a threat unless you are prepared to carry it out and I am not a fan of carrying anything. Even watching other people carrying things makes me uncomfortable. Mainly because of the possibility they may ask me to help.Comment
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Yep, or another would be hero with their gun thinking the exact same thing you are.
But the Jihad On America program has so far turned out to be a near complete flop. Try listening to morning news. Seems about every other morning there is news of at least one innocent bystander being shot in Oakland alone, and they ain't being shot by "radicalized Muslims". Except for that bakery in Oakland, it appears going Muslim reduces the likelihood of
involvement in illegal shootings, on the giving or receiving end. Pretty much the same as getting into a Christian "Born Again" thing.
Our ruling elite's programs of glorifying "thug life" for Blacks and Mexicans, and importing huge numbers of Mexicans to fill gang ranks, while partnering with various "Kill the Gringo" groups like La Raza (actually La Raza seems to be doing a much better job killing Blacks) have been much, much more successful.
Look at the attempt to get a "Jihad" going in the USA. TRILLIONS spent starting wars all over the MiddleEast, with thousands of dead US troops, and 100,000s of new PTSD and other weird lifetime disabilities (I know a guy with a weird internal FUNGUS from Iraq that affects his body and mind). Lots of deliberate publication and what could only be called an Ad Campaign about things like airstrikes on weddings, while at the same time at complete stand down of any border or immigration regulation, and even well funded US govt programs to bring in and support who they hope will become "Jihadists". I know some recent Muslim immigrants and they are almost uneasy at the amount of support in grants, loans etc they are being given. They must think they are going to be expected to give 98% to some corrupt official as kickback. LOL. I don't blame them, makes no sense to me, either.
And all we get is very rare, and very dubious, incidents that don't seem connected with any possible legit "Jihad" agenda? Clearly, we are going to go broke long before "Jihad" even gets on the radar in the USA.
So far, getting Muslims to go Jihad in the USA has been almost as successful as getting kids to LIKE Michelle's school lunches.
I look at stats, not just % of Fox News air time.
I'd say you are 10,000 more likely to want to retrieve a firearm to intercede in some out of control public "domestic dispute"(ex-GF being kidnapped from workplace, etc), drug deal gone wrong, carjacking gone wrong, etc.
I remember some old gangster movie where they had a couple extra low profile guys at the scene who job would be to 'cool' any would be heroes, and would otherwise not get involved. I'd imagine any real Jihad operation would have similar.
I'm working on a good, secure, armored, discrete locked container for auto use. Should be combo, not key, for several reasons, including I don't want any confusion on whether it was unlocked if both unit and keys come into LEO hands. I'd want an obviously forced open unit. Plus, I'm real good at losing keys, so I'd need to litter the car with keys. Combo should be "braille" for open by touch alone in under 2 seconds. Also connected securely to car with something that at least LOOKs like an activated alarm system (once the discrete cover is removed). Any such systems already on the market? Very sturdy small box/briefcase with combo lock, cable attachment and smartphone GPS tracker/alert?Last edited by King of the 109ers; 12-11-2015, 8:40 AM.Comment
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Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.
The U.S. city with the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, Washington, D.C., has the highest murder rate at 24 per 100,000.
The state with the most unrestrictive gun regulations, Vermont, has the lowest murder rate at 0.48 per 100,000.Comment
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i wonder why everyone is saying "play hero" or "go back into harms way", since when did people become so afraid and not willing to help fellow man. id rather die trying to save someones life than run. but for what its worth running outside and back inside might not be the best option but its better than these other guys who are saying just stay outside where its safe... so essentially their just doing nothing about the situation. good to know who not to trustThere is a widening and distorted "gap" between where we are in life and where we want to be. -mike gloverComment
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I would be afraid of being in the parking lot when they cops show up and getting shot for having a gun.Comment
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I'd like to correct some statements made here regarding CA law.
1) Loaded magazines/speed loaders are totally fine in the same container as the gun. This has been the case for years.
2) If you are in a motor vehicle, you may have a locked, unloaded handgun even if you are not going to the range/gunsmith etc. The "destination requirements" for carrying an unloaded, locked handgun only apply when NOT in a motor vehicle.
3) As previously mentioned, NOTHING in the penal code or case law says having fold down seats means that the trunk no longer qualifies as your locked container. For handguns, the penal code requires either
A) a secure, fully enclosed, locked case
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B) a locked trunk
Is your trunk still "locked" even if you can access from inside your car? I would say yes, and have no problems transporting my handguns in unlocked pistol pouches in my locked trunk. You might feel differently.
Now, in regards to the actual situation proposed by OP, I really have no idea what I would do in a situation like that. It really all depends. What did the gunfire sound like (automatic vs pump action, etc.)? Did it seem like multiple shooters? How far away is my car from the exit? How large is the building/area of the attack (big shopping mall or small strip mall)? Are we in an urban or suburban location, and whats the time of day (would affect police arrival time)? Is my family with me? Too many factors too consider. I may go in, I may not.Comment
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People should look up Hartzler vs. City of San Jose. One of the first of a few Supreme Court cases that basically state "cops do NOT have a duty or legal obligation to act."
Meaning if there was a gun fight somewhere, cops do not have to show up after you call 911.
I think those court rulings are the strongest case to allow people to arm themselves.
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PC only addresses firearms storage if it is stored in a location where one would have a reasonable expectation that a minor would gain access.
There is no PC stating that a firearm cannot be stored in a vehicle, and CCW (in California) only applies to carrying unlocked and concealed.- Rich
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Welcome to CGN, newbie!
Having said that, if you are an adult, you have to accept responsibility for defending yourself. If you want to stick your neck out legally and physically to save a bunch of unarmed (and thus more likely to be Libs/antis) sheeple, that's your business. If I choose not to, that's my right and choice to make.
Not even LEOs have a duty to protect you. They just have a duty to protect the public in general, not any particular person, even if they've called 9-1-1.
I do NOT have a union, unlike LEOs, that comes to my aid for FREE (union dues), to pay for my defense, to advise me and protect me from hostile LE, DA, courts, and/or media attention.
For your edification:
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