Begging for Jail Time?

[Cokebottle]

What car doesn't have fold down seats with locks that use the ignition key?

I've never seen fold-down seats that require a key.
Current and last generation Camry the seat release is in the trunk (there is a "porthole" in the center of the back seat that would allow an item such as a fishing pole to be placed from the trunk into the passenger compartment), but I've never seen a rear seat that didn't release with more than the push/pull of a button/knob... or older vehicles that didn't fold down.

[beardog308]

Many don't. Including my Mercedes 300sd and my '93 TBird.

After I posted I realized most new cars don't even have a key these days. My 07 A6 has locks at the levers.

[Robert458]

A handgun in a car must be in a locked case. Like a briefcase. With locks. It must be unloaded in that locked case. Ammo can be in the same locked case but cannot in inserted or loaded into the handgun.

Options are a trunk. A trunk qualifies as a locked case as long as the Seats don't fold down from inside the car. Again, ammo can be in the same trunk.

A center console and a glovebox Do Not qualify as a locked container.

Ammo can be stored anywhere in the car.

I meant to say in a case inside a car, I edited my above reply to clarify that. Thanks.

[CALI-gula]

What car doesn't have fold down seats with locks that use the ignition key?

What are fold down seats?

Never had the need, and my Chevelle, Ranchero, Mustang, and Jaguars never needed them either.

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[GW]

So what your idea is, is to run out to your car get your gun and run back into the kill zone?

I carry to protect myself and loved ones, not to play hero and run into a kill zone. What is to prevent someone who may be legally carrying and has also gotten to a place where they can escape from seeing you running in now armed and engaging you? I agree that we should be as prepared as possible, but I don't think charging back in once I've gotten myself and loved ones out is a real good idea.

Amen!

[ruchik]

There's usually a distinction between the right thing to do, and the legal thing to do.

I can understand what you're saying, but IMO it's not a good idea. Your scenario would have the best chance of being successfully defended in court IF all your rounds are effective. Who's to say that you might not miss? What if a round passes through the bad guy or a wall, and hits an innocent bystander? Granted, these are the same concerns for any shooting situation, but in a case like this, you had a choice. And if someone's loved one got hit by your rounds, they would probably take a very dim view of you. Not to mention that there's really no good way to explain to a jury of your peers that you went back into a dangerous situation and injured other people.

If you have a legal CCW and you have your weapon on you at that moment, that might be a different story. But that is not the case here.

[cmichini]

So what your idea is, is to run out to your car get your gun and run back into the kill zone?

I carry to protect myself and loved ones, not to play hero and run into a kill zone. What is to prevent someone who may be legally carrying and has also gotten to a place where they can escape from seeing you running in now armed and engaging you? I agree that we should be as prepared as possible, but I don't think charging back in once I've gotten myself and loved ones out is a real good idea.

This. If you can GTFO, you retrieve your pistol, then STFO unless you left someone you care about inside.

[elx144]

The hippies smell like patchouli, cheese, and urine.

The homeless and junkies just smell like urine.

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the hippies have guns, too.

[elx144]

So what your idea is, is to run out to your car get your gun and run back into the kill zone?

I carry to protect myself and loved ones, not to play hero and run into a kill zone. What is to prevent someone who may be legally carrying and has also gotten to a place where they can escape from seeing you running in now armed and engaging you? I agree that we should be as prepared as possible, but I don't think charging back in once I've gotten myself and loved ones out is a real good idea.

yeah, the police are going to be there really fast too. help them by being a good witness

[Win231]

i thought, you cannot have a handgun in your vehicle unless you are going to or from certain specified activities, such as a shooting range. You can't keep a handgun in your vehicle on a daily basis, locked and unloaded or not.

unless you have your ccw, correct?

Correct.

[elx144]

i thought, you cannot have a handgun in your vehicle unless you are going to or from certain specified activities, such as a shooting range. You can't keep a handgun in your vehicle on a daily basis, locked and unloaded or not.

unless you have your ccw, correct?

From what I read I thought you could keep it in a locked container. If you bring it out of your vehicle you need to be going to or from the range.

(1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the
vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle other than
the utility or glove compartment.
(2) The firearm is carried by the person directly to or from any
motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while carrying the firearm,
the firearm is contained within a locked container.

I'm considering taking a CCW class even though I doubt the Sheriff where I live will allow a permit. From what I've heard there's a lot of good information in the class. I carry on my rural property, and when I'm rifle hunting. It wouldn't be bad to get some formal training.

[Cokebottle]

From what I read I thought you could keep it in a locked container. If you bring it out of your vehicle you need to be going to or from the range.

I'm considering taking a CCW class even though I doubt the Sheriff where I live will allow a permit. From what I've heard there's a lot of good information in the class. I carry on my rural property, and when I'm rifle hunting. It wouldn't be bad to get some formal training.

You are correct.

And CCW training is valuable, but requirements vary by county, and not all classes are the same.
Some teach to the minimum, some are very good.

Better to seek a good general carry class without the emphasis on CCW.
We have a couple of really good schools on Orange County. One teaches "force on force" using a 360 projector system in an office environment AND a "shocker" vest to simulate when you get hit by the attacker.

[LowThudd]

Correct.

Nope. Can you post the PC that states that?

[Paladin]

Just try to get a CCW permit in Orange County. Even after the court decision the B in charge is not issuing permits and in fact has revoked many. Now she says she's waiting for the case to be reheard.

Wrong. Spend some time going thru the OP and the last several pages of:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=352774

Same with:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=912905

Hutches is READILY issuing CCWs while Peruta is being decided by the en banc panel. Someone recently posted that they were told by the SO that there's now >7,300 OC CCWs outstanding (vs ~650 a few years ago). She doesn't accept merely "self-defense" as your complete GC statement, but if you elaborate some, and have a clean background (GMC), you should be able to get an OC CCW. Ask in those threads linked above if you don't believe me.

The folks over at www.CalCCW.com will say the same thing.

I admit I am naive about these things but in the broader sense feel we as a society need to be much more prepared to deal with this growing threat, the status quo sucks. If an active shooter was engaging in the wholesale slaughter of holiday shoppers at the mall, would I go in with a Glock and some magaizines to try to stop it and possibly get shot? Yes I would. But then I've lived a fairly long and privileged life and feel we are our brother's keeper. I don't think I could stand getting away and listening to the shots erupt without taking some action. I would feel awful knowing lives were lost and I may have been able to prevent some of the deaths. Yes, I might incur friendly fire as well but it would be a risk I would willingly take. There are worse ways to die than trying to save lives.

You posted a link to a video of the Westgate Mall attack. Do you know what happened when separate groups of uniformed police officers and uniformed soldiers went into the mall to attack the jihadis? They attacked EACH OTHER! You won't be in uniform. You will be "a lone gunman." You do the math....

(A trunk handgun, that you could conceal and race back in might work better. But then you'll be up against, probably, at least 2 jihadis w/AWs (RDS/scopes) with just a handgun with LE on the way.... Again, do the math. It just doesn't make sense IMO. Better would be to try to help others escape (vs freezing in place, like in Westgate and like in San Bernardino, where some didn't even immediately move when LEOs told them to: they were paralyzed with fear).)

Again, that was in Kenya, not America. I'd expect LEOs on scene within 10 min MAX, most likely within 5 min. They will NOT wait around for HOURS like the mil and LE did at Westgate: they will enter, like in San Bernardino, within a few minutes of arrival.

Like it or not, a trunk rifle is no substitute for a CCW. For everyday (vs terrorist) incidents supporting that, see the link in my sig line w/170 examples.

The only place I can see a rifle coming in handy is a situation like one of the Mumbai hotel attacks where you brought a takedown rifle into your hotel room with you, or kept one in your high rise office/apartment during a takeover attack. But what are the odds of that actually happening to you?

Last, you couldn't live with yourself? Think of the witness who called in your description to the police or the cop who kills you when they find out you were trying to be a hero and save others. Think of how they'll feel.

[reverser]

I can't, but does it really matter?

How can you tell the hippies apart from the homeless and junkies?