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  • mortman
    Member
    • Aug 2008
    • 404

    Kel Tek Shotgun

    Hi,
    So what's the latest? Is it CA legal? Is it available?
    Thanks,
    m.
  • #2
    mortman
    Member
    • Aug 2008
    • 404

    hello? is it real? ca legal? available where? this is the coolest thing i have seen since the super 90.....but?

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    • #3
      ZombieTactics
      Veteran Member
      • Jan 2010
      • 3691

      It's real.

      It's probably CA legal, a couple of possible hitches.

      It'll probably be available sometime in 2012 (my guess based upon KelTec history)

      Good luck finding one once they get on the market.

      Here are some vids to pique your interest or slake your thirst:


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      • #4
        mortman
        Member
        • Aug 2008
        • 404

        Zombie,
        thanks for the vids, it is super cool, want one.
        -m.

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        • #5
          Boristheblade
          Member
          • Feb 2011
          • 366

          I'm interested in this shotty too!

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          • #6
            BoonieGhost
            Member
            • Jul 2010
            • 251

            Its a Pump...why would it not be legal in CA? The AW laws that apply to Shotguns in CA are for semi-auto magazine fed (Saiga) or Rotating cylinders (Taurus Judge), there has never been anything making a pump an AW even in CA if im not mistaken... It has also come to my attention from an FFL holder I know that has stated that the 10 rd capacity limit in CA only pertains to Center Fire Rifle & Pistol Cartridges, not Shotshell or Rimfire.
            Last edited by BoonieGhost; 05-11-2011, 3:52 PM.

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            • #7
              lrtraut
              Member
              • Mar 2010
              • 292

              There was a similar thread a while ago and people said they had actually "pre-ordered" one from Turners. I'd start with Turners if you're interested.

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              • #8
                Modimo
                Member
                • May 2009
                • 216

                Originally posted by BoonieGhost
                Its a Pump...why would it not be legal in CA? The AW laws that apply to Shotguns in CA are for semi-auto magazine fed (Saiga) or Rotating cylinders (Taurus Judge), there has never been anything making a pump an AW even in CA if im not mistaken... It has also come to my attention from an FFL holder I know that has stated that the 10 rd capacity limit in CA only pertains to Center Fire Rifle & Pistol Cartridges, not Shotshell or Rimfire.
                The 10 shot limit is in place for both Rimfire as well as shotguns. The exception, I suppose, is if you had it before the CA ban. ie Saiga shotguns... You could technically use a larger than 10rd mag IF you had them before the ban. Unfortunately, non existed prior so would be a tough sell...

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                • #9
                  squee116
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 984

                  But there isn't a magazine. It's tube fed isn't it? And there's a mechanical device that requires user actuation before it can switch between tubes? I thought the reason they have that device instead of auto switch over was to avoid being called an AW.

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                  • #10
                    meaty-btz
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 8980

                    Considering it is two magazines, it is less than 10 shots per. That is where the hang up is. Can a weapon have more than two fixed magazines that total more than 10 rounds but that require mechanical intervention to change between.

                    Some people say because the Kal-Tek Shotgun has an OVERALL FIXED CAPACITY OVER 10 rounds that it is illegal.

                    Others say it is two separate magazines each less than 10 rounds that requires user intervention to change between and is no different than changing out a magazine on a pistol.

                    Also since this is a shotgun and not a rifle it does not go on the flow chart for needing a bullet button (tool) to change between magazines.

                    So I think no one knows, hell I don't even think the DOJ knows or has an opinion as of yet. The legal language is unclear. I am with the TOTALLY LEGAL camp as because it requires user intervention it is no different than changing a magazine in a pistol or other weapon. Does a pistol suddenly become in violation of the 10 round limit if I have a bracket on my pistol that supports a spare magazine in the ready position on the pistol so that it is faster to change?
                    ...but their exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom.

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                    • #11
                      BoonieGhost
                      Member
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 251

                      Originally posted by Modimo
                      The 10 shot limit is in place for both Rimfire as well as shotguns. The exception, I suppose, is if you had it before the CA ban. ie Saiga shotguns... You could technically use a larger than 10rd mag IF you had them before the ban. Unfortunately, non existed prior so would be a tough sell...
                      Im not going to argue with you on this, but my only question is how are people getting away with using the MD-20 (Saiga 20rd Drum) in their guns when buying them as a "parts kit". Ive seen people use them at public ranges and nobody has said anything about it. Like you stated above, there were NO Saiga 12's pre-ban anywhere to be had in this country.

                      whats up with that?

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                      • #12
                        saki302
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 7187

                        Easy fix- plug one of the magazines to limit capacity. You'd obviously need a tool to remove the plug (since the mag isn't removable), so the shotgun cannot be made illegal while it is assembled and in a firing state.

                        OR just remove the 'guts' of the second magazine. It'll still work and shoot fine on one mag, and you can own it.

                        -Dave

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                        • #13
                          Caliredsoxfan
                          Junior Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 17

                          The Kel-Tec is legal. The 10 round ammo limit applies to magazine fed weapons...tube fed guns like old marlin rifles and tube fed .22s do not apply.

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                          • #14
                            TRICKSTER
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 12438

                            Originally posted by Caliredsoxfan
                            The Kel-Tec is legal. The 10 round ammo limit applies to magazine fed weapons...tube fed guns like old marlin rifles and tube fed .22s do not apply.

                            Wrong, it applies to all weapons except.....

                            12020 (c)(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity
                            magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity
                            to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to
                            include any of the following:
                            (A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so
                            that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
                            (B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
                            (C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action
                            firearm.


                            The unanswered question on the Kel-Tec is what is the definition of a "ammunition feeding device"? Since the Kel-Tec's tubes are fixed together as one unit and loaded through the same port, is the entire two tube mechanism one "ammunition feeding device" or is it two separate magazines?
                            Last edited by TRICKSTER; 05-12-2011, 4:05 AM.


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                            • #15
                              squee116
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 984

                              They do make lever action shotguns though. Possible mod in the future?

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