Kel Tek Shotgun

[ke6guj]

Thing is if it's semi, we wouldn't be able to have it here n CA.

why would that be? if it is legal as a 7+7+1 pump, it would be legal as a 7+7+1 semi-auto.

[sirgiles]

http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/06/ryan-finn/range-report-kel-tec-ksg-bullpup-shotgun/

[chad68]

Turner's is no longer taking deposits for KSGs. Their entire allocation has been spoken and until they get an additional allocation, they cannot ensure that a deposit today will result in a KSG in stock.

Figured I'd let everyone know.

That doesn't surprise me. Maybe with any luck the rest of us can get one when the demand and production can match up and before a Soccer Mom see's one in a video game and starts writing letters to the Gov.

Assuming they don't get banned, I would guess after the prices go up and down all over the chart, might be able to find one in a couple to 3 years and by then the MSRP will probablly be about $1,200.

By then I won't want it anymore LOL and have bought something else.

[Caseless]

If Kel-tec's performance in the last 5 years is any indication, you won't be able to buy these in California because only limited quantities will be made. The problem won't be that it's illegal to buy in CA, but that Kel-tec won't make very many.

+1.
I estimate 2 years minimum before CA dealers will have the KSG on the store shelf. For reference, it's been 3+ years since Kel-Tec started making the .308 RFB, and I still can't order a 24" Sporter RFB model.

[BoonieGhost]

I hate Kel-tec! but I really want one of the shotguns! I think it would make a really nice companion for my Saiga-12...

[mdhpper]

IF there is a CA version im canceling. Total BS

That would suck.

[The Virus]

it has TWO separate magazines, is the ready mag also illegal?

[mif_slim]

why would that be? if it is legal as a 7+7+1 pump, it would be legal as a 7+7+1 semi-auto.

Thats what I thought right after I sent it. LOL. my bad.

[rabagley]

Im not going to argue with you on this, but my only question is how are people getting away with using the MD-20 (Saiga 20rd Drum) in their guns when buying them as a "parts kit". Ive seen people use them at public ranges and nobody has said anything about it. Like you stated above, there were NO Saiga 12's pre-ban anywhere to be had in this country.

whats up with that?

What's up with that is illegal manufacturing of a high capacity magazine following the legal importation of the parts for a magazine. That they haven't gotten in trouble yet has no bearing on the legality of what they've done.

[rabagley]

If I load 12 Aguila minishells in my 870, does that mean all 870s are illegal?

Interestingly, if you put 30 .223 rounds in a 10 round 458 SOCOM magazine (they'll fit and feed just fine into an AR or Kel-Tec SU-16), you also haven't broken the law, nor have you made 458 SOCOM magazines illegal.

[advocatusdiaboli]

I predict Keltec won't do anything for California, they'll just let it be illegal if it goes that way. I've contacted them twice over 2 years about a CA-legal Sub-2000 and they replied both times that they don't make a modified one and don't know where to get one or that anyone does. I've found one source and plan to buy, but I bring this up to say Keltec's volumes probably don't seem to support CA modified products. But maybe the KSG will see sufficient demand that they will make one. But I am betting not.

[rabagley]

I predict Keltec won't do anything for California, they'll just let it be illegal if it goes that way. I've contacted them twice over 2 years about a CA-legal Sub-2000 and they replied both times that they don't make a modified one and don't know where to get one or that anyone does. I've found one source and plan to buy, but I bring this up to say Keltec's volumes probably don't seem to support CA modified products. But maybe the KSG will see sufficient demand that they will make one. But I am betting not.

Which manufacturer of a firearm of their own design (and not a part assembler like most AR manufacturers) directly supports California's insane laws? None of them. Now, Kel-Tec is annoying in that they refuse to submit any of their handguns for addition to California's moronic roster, and I agree that that's a poor business decision, but I can't entirely fault them either.

Just go to DD's Ranch and order the darned Sub-2000 already. I love mine. It's a blast to shoot, and I can't wait to move to Seattle so I can pull the bullet button off the thing already! And the KSG is the other reason I'm so excited to move to Washington state next year. No more high-cap madness.

[fourXfour]

S&W are putting bullet buttons in their Sport line for CA. Arsenal is also doing some stuff from the factory. It's coming around. There is money in CA.

[rabagley]

S&W are putting bullet buttons in their Sport line for CA. Arsenal is also doing some stuff from the factory. It's coming around. There is money in CA.

AR manufacturing is quite different from most other firearms given the standardization across the type. But it is still a good example of a big company making a CA-specific firearm.

And the observation that CA is a big market is spot on. That's why I think Kel-Tec is making dumb business decisions with the handgun roster, even if I'm sympathetic with their stand.

(edit: is being dumb businesspeople? too much sake, that's all I'm saying...)

[brookin]

Hi all,
I've been a member for a loong time but never joined in the discussion of topics.
does anyone have any updated info. on Kel-Tec's KSG Shotgun, mainly if it will be California Legal, at first I had read on many blogs and forums that this Bullpup Pump-Action Shotgun would indeed be Cali. Legal, but this was back in February of this year and you all know how anti-gun nuts love to get politicians (especially here in California) to pass anti-Firearms Legislation.
A friend of mine mentioned to me that just recently the California DOJ/Politicians passed some type of Legislation that would not make the Kel-Tec KSG Cali. Legal to own (here in California)/or that it will be put on the Cali. Banned list.
While my friend is a good guy, he doesn't always have his facts straight & he tends to think he knows everything. He says that The KSG just recently (like within the last 2 weeks was deemed illegal.
So, if anybody can verify this please let me know...because I've been dreaming of owning this Bullpup Pump-Action Shotgun.

Someone please sort this most recent development out for me --- if it is true which I don't think that it is, but then again...this is Cali(Commie)fornia, when it comes to Firearms.