Kel Tek Shotgun

[BoonieGhost]

They do make lever action shotguns though. Possible mod in the future?

Winchester did this back in 1887, this is nothing new...

[Sicarius]

Oh brother... Here we go again... heheh
Kevin

[SofaGeorge]

Now let's see... first semi-auto rifles got labled "assault" rifles... let me throw out a wild guess and say this will be the first "slaughter" shotgun.

I love the media.

[ke6guj]

Im not going to argue with you on this, but my only question is how are people getting away with using the MD-20 (Saiga 20rd Drum) in their guns when buying them as a "parts kit". Ive seen people use them at public ranges and nobody has said anything about it. Like you stated above, there were NO Saiga 12's pre-ban anywhere to be had in this country.

whats up with that?

doesn't matter if there is a pre-ban S-12 or not to use a 20-round drum in it. it isn't illegal to use a large-cap mag in a shotgun so why would anybody say anything about it.

The only issue is being able to acquire the large-capacity drum. But usage of the mag is not a crime.

[call-in]

The only issue is being able to acquire the large-capacity drum. But usage of the mag is not a crime.

Aaahhh, I think I'm getting it now (Sorry, I am pretty dense). So it's not the ownership or use that is illegal, it is the selling or buying of such items that is illegal, right? So if someone sold a kit to convert say a 870 to have two mag tubes with a selector (like the kel-tec), that would be legal because it is a kit not a magazine (just yet), Did I get that right?

[SparrowHanger]

Aaahhh, I think I'm getting it now (Sorry, I am pretty dense). So it's not the ownership or use that is illegal, it is the selling or buying of such items that is illegal, right? So if someone sold a kit to convert say a 870 to have two mag tubes with a selector (like the kel-tec), that would be legal because it is a kit not a magazine (just yet), Did I get that right?

Start with assuming that the weapon is illegal because of the large capacity magazine. It isn't clear that it is illegal but assume it is. If you import a kit that can only have one purpose; the conversion of the 870 so it has an illegal magzine capacity, someone has a legal problem with the illegal importation and sale of those parts. The situation where there is a legal purpose is different, as is the case where pre-ban magazines are legal as is their repair.

[call-in]

Just when I thought I'm starting to get it, I find myself confused as ever.

[inbox485]

Worst case is the tubes would have to plugged to 5 rounds each, but I'm solidly in the two separate magazines camp.

[5539]

Turners Norwalk, said the Shotgun is CA legal and will be selling it.

[BoonieGhost]

doesn't matter if there is a pre-ban S-12 or not to use a 20-round drum in it. it isn't illegal to use a large-cap mag in a shotgun so why would anybody say anything about it.

The only issue is being able to acquire the large-capacity drum. But usage of the mag is not a crime.

Ok, but doenst the law say that any firearm that is required to have a Bullet Button is limited to no more than 10rds? Does this not apply to shotguns then?

[ke6guj]

Ok, but doenst the law say that any firearm that is required to have a Bullet Button is limited to no more than 10rds? Does this not apply to shotguns then?

no it doesn't.

[GW]

The bullet button is a detachable magazine release device
This shotgun does not have a detachable magazine so not an issue.

[SparrowHanger]

Worst case is the tubes would have to plugged to 5 rounds each, but I'm solidly in the two separate magazines camp.

Wore case is the tubes would have to PERMANENTLY plugged to 5 rounds each. Cali isn't going to let Kel-tec skirt the law by inserting a couple of wooden dowels.

[squee116]

Wore case is the tubes would have to PERMANENTLY plugged to 5 rounds each. Cali isn't going to let Kel-tec skirt the law by inserting a couple of wooden dowels.

That's not entirely true. Bullet buttons are removable once you get out of state, as are SOLAR type bbs(from what I hear), and single shot sleds are reversible(again from what I hear). If these people were smart enough to see they were getting duped, they wouldn't come up with such assernine policies in the first place.

[janus408]

Anyone have any idea when these will be going on sale?