Trap starter shotgun

[serper3]

But go through the complete thread - NO one - besides Lynn is giving advice on a trap shotgun

I repeat : no one !

But to be honest I never asked for these 336 replies about cars, sporting clays, rubber bands, etc . . .

Neither all the bashing . . .

My original post was - even I lost somewhat track now but IIRC - what shotgun for trap !

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You are kidding right!!?? You didn't get any advice!!??

you got a ton of advice on what shotguns to buy and most importantly what shotguns NOT to buy.. the vast majority of the advice you got just wasn't what you wanted to hear so you dismissed it for not getting any advice!! you realize that you can shoot trap with any shotgun right? you just are deciding to not follow the advice of most on your thread.

regarding the comments.. i think like myself, the majority of the people commenting were trying to give you good advice based on our experience, knowing all that we know now. when a new shooter asks a question, they often ask bad, incomplete, etc., questions because of how little they know. so try not to be so, "pity me, no one is helping me answer a simple question." new clay shooters just dont know what questions they need to be asking.

i am going to give you some more advice. if you really want to shoot well, and regardless of what gun you get and what you shoot, get some professional instruction. at the end of the day, its the indian not the arrow. the instruction will have much more to do with how you shoot, than if you have a dedicated trap gun.

[novelty]

If like OU
For trap shooting, the parazzi is very good, DT 11 is also good
K80 is popular too

The parazzi high tech is very nice looking

[LynnJr]

You are kidding right!!?? You didn't get any advice!!??

you got a ton of advice on what shotguns to buy and most importantly what shotguns NOT to buy.. the vast majority of the advice you got just wasn't what you wanted to hear so you dismissed it for not getting any advice!! you realize that you can shoot trap with any shotgun right? you just are deciding to not follow the advice of most on your thread.

regarding the comments.. i think like myself, the majority of the people commenting were trying to give you good advice based on our experience, knowing all that we know now. when a new shooter asks a question, they often ask bad, incomplete, etc., questions because of how little they know. so try not to be so, "pity me, no one is helping me answer a simple question." new clay shooters just dont know what questions they need to be asking.

i am going to give you some more advice. if you really want to shoot well, and regardless of what gun you get and what you shoot, get some professional instruction. at the end of the day, its the indian not the arrow. the instruction will have much more to do with how you shoot, than if you have a dedicated trap gun.

Actually the OP asked a very specific question about getting a TrapGun. He was told to try sporting clays and the various other forms of shooting even though that has nothing to do with his original question.

He now has a very capable trapgun in his possession and will be shooting trap by next weekend with it.

A very capable trapshooter is mentoring him as well so all in all he is now off to a very good start.

You can use any equipment you have to shoot any of the clay games you just won't learn much in doing it that way. You can use 34 inch extra full choke to shoot skeet if you don't want to hit many birds but YES you can use it.
Yes you can use a 26 inch field gun intended for pheasants/quail with improved cylinder choke to shoot handicap trap you just won't do well with it.
When your beginning a new form of competition you severely handicap your chances by using the wrong equipment in my experience.

[ceh383]

The advice to get a non-specific starter gun such as an 870, is actually good advice. Most new shooters are not using the same gun they started with within 2 years. Why? Because when starting out they know nothing about their form, mount or what they like in a gun. It takes time to acquire this knowledge and more often than not results in a gun change. It's sad to see someone spend a good chunk of change on a nice gun only to find it doesn't work for them.

[fecalguns]

The advice to get a non-specific starter gun such as an 870, is actually good advice. Most new shooters are not using the same gun they started with within 2 years. Why? Because when starting out they know nothing about their form, mount or what they like in a gun. It takes time to acquire this knowledge and more often than not results in a gun change. It's sad to see someone spend a good chunk of change on a nice gun only to find it doesn't work for them.

Not to threadjack, but what characteristics would I be looking for in a trap shotgun? I am also brand new to this and I can afford to buy something that is dedicated for trap. I have a franchi affinity and I shot sporting clays for the first time a week ago with ysr_racer. It was a blast, but if I was to get into trap can you at least recommend whether it be an O/U, over semiauto, pump? And would you recommend a trap style stock over a regular stock for beginners? I understand what you mean about not knowing your fit and mounting style before spending money, but would it be in my best interest to steer in a somewhat specific direction towards a trap shotgun?

[Kingair001]

@serper3 - Perhaps I should rephrase it
Many of the poster gave me a lot of tips - and I definetly would like to thank them all including you

But going quickly through the thread 99% talks about getting a field gun since they all shoot skeet or sporting clays

As far as I know is that a field shotgun - let it be a pump, semi auto or o/u - shoots way flatter than a dedicated trap shotgun

I think most do a 50/50 pattern while trap goes up to 80/20

Also the comb on a field shotgun sits way lower compared to a trap shotgun

Next is that most field shotguns have 28 or 30 inch barrels while trap goes out to 34 inch

Do you / I need the extra 4 or 6 inches ?

So yes there are differences between both and I suppose for a good reason . . .

Now please do correct me if I am wrong !

Always open to advice


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[Kingair001]

If like OU
For trap shooting, the parazzi is very good, DT 11 is also good
K80 is popular too

The parazzi high tech is very nice looking

Perazzi are nice shotguns

But so are Caesar Guerinni, Blaser, Bowen, Kolar, Krieghoff, Silver Seitz, . . . .

The day I go deep into competition - brake an average of 23 or 24 clays - and the budget is available I might consider one of the brands above

Might . . .

Will they make me a better shooter ?

Mmmm . . . no clue

And the chances are pretty high that I will never know !

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[fecalguns]

@serper3 - Perhaps I should rephrase it
Many of the poster gave me a lot of tips - and I definetly would like to thank them all including you

But going quickly through the thread 99% talks about getting a field gun since they all shoot skeet or sporting clays

As far as I know is that a field shotgun - let it be a pump, semi auto or o/u - shoots way flatter than a dedicated trap shotgun

I think most do a 50/50 pattern while trap goes up to 80/20

Also the comb on a field shotgun sits way lower compared to a trap shotgun

Next is that most field shotguns have 28 or 30 inch barrels while trap goes out to 34 inch

Do you / I need the extra 4 or 6 inches ?

So yes there are differences between both and I suppose for a good reason . . .

Now please do correct me if I am wrong !

Always open to advice


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Thanks OP. Highlighted helps me immensely! I wouldn't have known that.

[Kingair001]

Thanks OP. Highlighted helps me immensely! I wouldn't have known that.

I am a complete rookie in trap
Learning each day something new

But replying to the thread it popped up in my mind and no one yet discussed anything about the pattern of a field vs trap shotgun

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[Kingair001]

The advice to get a non-specific starter gun such as an 870, is actually good advice. Most new shooters are not using the same gun they started with within 2 years. Why? Because when starting out they know nothing about their form, mount or what they like in a gun. It takes time to acquire this knowledge and more often than not results in a gun change. It's sad to see someone spend a good chunk of change on a nice gun only to find it doesn't work for them.

I know you need to get started and for sure other brands and types will follow
I suppose that's the most normal thing when you love a sport or when you grow in a sport

Actually I went shooting a few rounds trap although I didn't own a shotgun yet

A few shooters where so nice to let me try their shotguns

Was it hard ?

Not at all according to some shooters in this thread - for them it seems to be peanuts . . .
But it was pretty hard - for me at least !

Did I had fun ?

Yes I did - a lot of fun to be honest !




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[LynnJr]

Not to threadjack, but what characteristics would I be looking for in a trap shotgun? I am also brand new to this and I can afford to buy something that is dedicated for trap. I have a franchi affinity and I shot sporting clays for the first time a week ago with ysr_racer. It was a blast, but if I was to get into trap can you at least recommend whether it be an O/U, over semiauto, pump? And would you recommend a trap style stock over a regular stock for beginners? I understand what you mean about not knowing your fit and mounting style before spending money, but would it be in my best interest to steer in a somewhat specific direction towards a trap shotgun?

The characteristics are not that different but in my opinion are worth getting.

A field gun used on pheasants jump shooting with dogs would be relatively short barrel so the gun swings extremely fast and an opened up choke so you have a large pattern for a close bird.

In trap the typical barrel would be 28-30 inches on a semi or pump and 32-35 inches on a single shot so you maintain the same sight radius due to the shorter action length.

On a field gun the stock is low and you don't pull the trigger until you have covered the bird.
On a trap stock the stock is high to very high so your pattern sits above the front bead 6 inches to 2 feet. In trap the birds are a known quantity so you can position your gun then follow under the bird and pull the trigger. This keeps you from lifting your head which causes misses.

Next is the ventilated rib.
Field guns don't need a rib for jump shooting birds.
Trap guns take advantage of the rib too unclutter there field of view. The taller the rib the less clutter and the less clutter the lesser chance you will lift your head to look for the bird.

Chokes used to be an important factor but most every gun today uses some form of tubes so it's not as big an issue as it was 20 years ago.
For trap you want a full choke for singles and handicap or an extra full choke.
For field use on jumping birds you want an improved cylinder but for ducks and geese extra full keeps the pattern tighter. Today hunters are required to use steel shot so the chokes have changed yet again.

[ceh383]

Trap guns usually have higher combs and higher ribs than field guns. Trap guns are usually set to pattern higher because the target is always rising.
You can make a field gun pattern higher by raising the comb, there are cheek risers that can be installed temporarily for this purpose.
Field guns are typically lighter than clays guns, but weight can be added to a field gun to get it where you want it, both weight and balance wise.
Personally, I would shoot the Franchi Affinity and play with comb height and weight. This way you will learn what you like and don't like.
When you make an adjustment, shoot it for a while. After you have figured out what you like, then go look for a dedicated gun that fits your needs.
You will be happier in the long run.

[LynnJr]

The advice to get a non-specific starter gun such as an 870, is actually good advice. Most new shooters are not using the same gun they started with within 2 years. Why? Because when starting out they know nothing about their form, mount or what they like in a gun. It takes time to acquire this knowledge and more often than not results in a gun change. It's sad to see someone spend a good chunk of change on a nice gun only to find it doesn't work for them.

Actually you answered your own question.
Most new trapshooters start out with an existing gun to give themselves some time to see if they like the sport.
What they quickly realise is a field gun makes a poor trapgun so they have two options available to them.
Option one is to buy a real TrapGun hence its name.
Option two is to upgrade there's field gun to trap specs and the gun you mentioned a Remington 870 fits that category well. Remington sells field model 870's as well as trap model 870's so the shooters can mix and match parts as needed to shoot in either sport.
In the OP's case he was given a TrapGun and if the game isn't for him all he needs to do is alter the stock to use the same gun for a different form of clay shooting.

[ceh383]

Actually I was responding to fecalguns who already has a Franchi Affinity.
In his case, I would learn with what I have rather than buying a dedicated gun.

[fecalguns]

The characteristics are not that different but in my opinion are worth getting.

A field gun used on pheasants jump shooting with dogs would be relatively short barrel so the gun swings extremely fast and an opened up choke so you have a large pattern for a close bird.

In trap the typical barrel would be 28-30 inches on a semi or pump and 32-35 inches on a single shot so you maintain the same sight radius due to the shorter action length.

On a field gun the stock is low and you don't pull the trigger until you have covered the bird.
On a trap stock the stock is high to very high so your pattern sits above the front bead 6 inches to 2 feet. In trap the birds are a known quantity so you can position your gun then follow under the bird and pull the trigger. This keeps you from lifting your head which causes misses.

Next is the ventilated rib.
Field guns don't need a rib for jump shooting birds.
Trap guns take advantage of the rib too unclutter there field of view. The taller the rib the less clutter and the less clutter the lesser chance you will lift your head to look for the bird.

Chokes used to be an important factor but most every gun today uses some form of tubes so it's not as big an issue as it was 20 years ago.
For trap you want a full choke for singles and handicap or an extra full choke.
For field use on jumping birds you want an improved cylinder but for ducks and geese extra full keeps the pattern tighter. Today hunters are required to use steel shot so the chokes have changed yet again.

Trap guns usually have higher combs and higher ribs than field guns. Trap guns are usually set to pattern higher because the target is always rising.
You can make a field gun pattern higher by raising the comb, there are cheek risers that can be installed temporarily for this purpose.
Field guns are typically lighter than clays guns, but weight can be added to a field gun to get it where you want it, both weight and balance wise.
Personally, I would shoot the Franchi Affinity and play with comb height and weight. This way you will learn what you like and don't like.
When you make an adjustment, shoot it for a while. After you have figured out what you like, then go look for a dedicated gun that fits your needs.
You will be happier in the long run.

Thank you both! Much appreciated!