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  • dwh100
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2007
    • 955

    Can you guys post a pic of your front apertures? How big is the aperture? Are both apertures the same size?
    Mortal as I am, I know that I am born for a day. But when I follow at my pleasure the serried multitude of the stars in their circular course, my feet no longer touch the earth.
    - Ptolemy, c.150 AD

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    • surfNshoot
      CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
      • Mar 2008
      • 1446

      Originally posted by dwh100
      Can you guys post a pic of your front apertures? How big is the aperture? Are both apertures the same size?
      No the front is much larger. I have 7 different sizes depending on your target and distance. I'll post a pic tonight.

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      • usmcchet9296
        CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
        • Feb 2008
        • 1834

        While these arent winning submissions they are what I shot today at ASR. Wind wasnt bad but it was an issue.
        Shot my Mossberg at 25 and while its a winner most of the time with small targets like these it shows its age. Large peep and front sight post the target looks like a pin prick at 25 yards. Sorry ole Mossberg but I cant wait to get my Kimber with multipul front sight incerts.

        2-7-11 by usmcchet92_96, on Flickr
        Score was 101 and 102 on the only 2 targets I completed so its not bad but ive done better groups when I can actually see the target.

        Next up is my CZ. This is the second time I have taken it out and it shows. The rifle still isnt broken it and my groups opened up at 50 more than I wanted but considering I have only a few hundred rounds down the pipe including today I cant complain

        2-7-11 (3) by usmcchet92_96, on Flickr
        Score was 60,65, and 66 so its getting better

        At 100 I didnt do too bad. I almost have a quarter sized group they are an inch and 1/8th from far side to far side which is more than acceptable for a .22 but I know I can do better. Hell Surf-n-shoot did that with peep sights that damned bastard.

        2-7-11 (2) by usmcchet92_96, on Flickr
        Score 43 or 45
        Last edited by usmcchet9296; 02-07-2011, 8:37 PM. Reason: I missed a 8 maybe a 10 point shot
        John P. Hermesmeyer
        U.S.M.C. 1992 to 1996 0311 5th Marines
        Current location: Camp Living room 1st Recline Div.Now in Texas
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        Visit http://www.cawheelburners.com
        In memory of my friend Officer Ryan Bonaminio Riverside PD. Gone but not forgotten.

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        • Izzy43
          CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
          • Dec 2009
          • 2670

          Originally posted by usmcchet9296
          While these arent winning submissions they are what I shot today at ASR. Wind wasnt bad but it was an issue.
          Shot my Mossberg at 25 and while its a winner most of the time with small targets like these it shows its age. Large peep and front sight post the target looks like a pin prick at 25 yards. Sorry ole Mossberg but I cant wait to get my Kimber with multipul front sight incerts.
          Score was 101 and 102 on the only 2 targets I completed so its not bad but ive done better groups when I can actually see the target.

          Next up is my CZ. This is the second time I have taken it out and it shows. The rifle still isnt broken it and my groups opened up at 50 more than I wanted but considering I have only a few hundred rounds down the pipe including today I cant complain
          Score was 60,65, and 66 so its getting better

          At 100 I didnt do too bad. I almost have a quarter sized group they are an inch and 1/8th from far side to far side which is more than acceptable for a .22 but I know I can do better. Hell Surf-n-shoot did that with peep sights that damned bastard.
          Score 35
          Pretty good shooting there, especially the 50 yard scope target. One minor observation (I've done this myself). The 25 yd iron sight target is only 2 shots per target.

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          • usmcchet9296
            CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
            • Feb 2008
            • 1834

            Damnit Izzy your right and I printed out the rules and still missed it. Oh well I needed to reshoot that anyway
            John P. Hermesmeyer
            U.S.M.C. 1992 to 1996 0311 5th Marines
            Current location: Camp Living room 1st Recline Div.Now in Texas
            sigpic
            Visit http://www.cawheelburners.com
            In memory of my friend Officer Ryan Bonaminio Riverside PD. Gone but not forgotten.

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            • Izzy43
              CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
              • Dec 2009
              • 2670

              Shot again today. The 50 and 100 yard iron targets with the CZ and Wolf MT ammo. Did a little better on the 50 yd. Score was 51 or 52 but I'll settle for 51. The bullet holes look like .17 cal or smaller. 100 yd target score was 46. I had it going on the first three shots but then 2 flyers. We think (Me and Taz) that it was probably the shooter. Don't know if I can do better on the 50 yd but will keep at the 100 yd to try to clean it. (Fat chance). The Wolf Ammo seemed to help on both targets.
              Last edited by Izzy43; 03-30-2011, 8:55 AM.

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              • Izzy43
                CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
                • Dec 2009
                • 2670

                Originally posted by dwh100
                Can you guys post a pic of your front apertures? How big is the aperture? Are both apertures the same size?
                My rear aperture is .050" and the front is about .375". At 100yards a 6" bullseye just fills the front aperture. For zeroing I use a 2" bullseye at 25 and 50 yds and a 3" bullseye (4" would be better) at 100yds. I would post pics but my camera will not take good photos closeup to show enough detail. I'll see if I can find a link to what my sights are and post that.

                Also the thing is the rear aperture needs to be as small as possible for target work but still large enough so that you can see the entire front aperture through it. Then all that you need to do is center the target in the front aperture and shoot. Not necessary to focus on or center the rear aperture because the human eye will center the rear aperture automatically. Also the rear aperture is sometimes called a "Ghost Ring" because it appears like a circular haze to the eye. You will not believe how accurate these sights are. World classs competitive shooters use these type of sights due to their accuracy.

                Try to find someone local to you that has this type of set up. Its hard to describe the sight picture but once you see it you will be amazed. The 100yd iron target we are shooting this month just looks like a really, really small dot in the front aperture but once centered you can shoot MOA no problem (if the gun and shooter are up to it). Well enough rambling.

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                • Izzy43
                  CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 2670

                  DWH

                  Ok, here is a picture of the rear (pretty small hole, huh?) aperture and the front aperture (called a globe sight). On the front its the small black circle inside the sight hood. These are exactly the same as the sights on my CZ. One thing, the farther apart (long sight radius) the rear and front apertures are, the better the accuracy.
                  Last edited by Izzy43; 03-30-2011, 8:55 AM.

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                  • surfNshoot
                    CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 1446

                    beat me too it. an your pics are better. Solid shooting also!!!!! I need to work on centering my group. next weekend maybe.

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                    • Izzy43
                      CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 2670

                      Originally posted by surfNshoot
                      beat me too it. an your pics are better. Solid shooting also!!!!! I need to work on centering my group. next weekend maybe.
                      Thanks, thought I was gonna clean that 100yd iron target but UP JUMP THE DEVIL (and twice). I spent a lot of time today adjusting my sights till I finally got them really close. I was only moving the elevation a click or two at a time. Shot a lot of rounds to get it on at 100yds from a 50yd zero. Not sure how much 1 click moves my POI but its a lot less than 1/4 MOA for sure. I went up around 40 clicks to get one at 100. Good luck with yours.

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                      • usmcchet9296
                        CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 1834

                        Originally posted by Izzy43
                        Thanks, thought I was gonna clean that 100yd iron target but UP JUMP THE DEVIL (and twice). I spent a lot of time today adjusting my sights till I finally got them really close. I was only moving the elevation a click or two at a time. Shot a lot of rounds to get it on at 100yds from a 50yd zero. Not sure how much 1 click moves my POI but its a lot less than 1/4 MOA for sure. I went up around 40 clicks to get one at 100. Good luck with yours.
                        Do you and Surf-n-Shoot need some quiet personal time with your sights
                        John P. Hermesmeyer
                        U.S.M.C. 1992 to 1996 0311 5th Marines
                        Current location: Camp Living room 1st Recline Div.Now in Texas
                        sigpic
                        Visit http://www.cawheelburners.com
                        In memory of my friend Officer Ryan Bonaminio Riverside PD. Gone but not forgotten.

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                        • surfNshoot
                          CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 1446

                          Originally posted by usmcchet9296
                          Do you and Surf-n-Shoot need some quiet personal time with your sights
                          Feeling a little left out? Your kimber will be here soon.

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                          • usmcchet9296
                            CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 1834

                            Originally posted by surfNshoot
                            Feeling a little left out? Your kimber will be here soon.
                            Yes I am and not soon enough
                            John P. Hermesmeyer
                            U.S.M.C. 1992 to 1996 0311 5th Marines
                            Current location: Camp Living room 1st Recline Div.Now in Texas
                            sigpic
                            Visit http://www.cawheelburners.com
                            In memory of my friend Officer Ryan Bonaminio Riverside PD. Gone but not forgotten.

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                            • dwh100
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 955

                              Originally posted by surfNshoot
                              No the front is much larger. I have 7 different sizes depending on your target and distance. I'll post a pic tonight.
                              Are you using Lyman front sights with the inserts?
                              Mortal as I am, I know that I am born for a day. But when I follow at my pleasure the serried multitude of the stars in their circular course, my feet no longer touch the earth.
                              - Ptolemy, c.150 AD

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                              • dwh100
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 955

                                Originally posted by Izzy43
                                DWH

                                Ok, here is a picture of the rear (pretty small hole, huh?) aperture and the front aperture (called a globe sight). On the front its the small black circle inside the sight hood. These are exactly the same as the sights on my CZ. One thing, the farther apart (long sight radius) the rear and front apertures are, the better the accuracy.


                                Thanx!
                                Mortal as I am, I know that I am born for a day. But when I follow at my pleasure the serried multitude of the stars in their circular course, my feet no longer touch the earth.
                                - Ptolemy, c.150 AD

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