Considering Fixed Power vs Variable 1-6 Scope

[PrimaryArms]

Considering Fixed Power vs Variable 1-6 Scope

Proven by whom?



There is no rangefinder with that optic. You can equip a rifle with a range finder--won't be cheap though.

There is a rangefinder its an analog system better known as milling.
Targetx(formula) divide by mils=range

Acogs use a premiled system and have been proven in service in all branches for the military, the ACSS uses the same technology.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Combat_Optical_Gunsight

ACSS 400 and 700 yard test using 5.56

http://youtu.be/nxwaiDeXP8c

ACSS HUD

http://youtu.be/r0oLPFNWCLE

600 yard test using .308

http://youtu.be/aUMXsBShNtQ

-Dimitri

[PrimaryArms]

Its funny because I was actually considering the 1-6 as an option until I read the quote above.



Considering there is not a military or law enforcement organization on the planet that would consider PA as their "go to" optic, I have to wonder who it is actually for...

There was nothing intended there, it sounds like he is into target shooting not a battle style reticle.

-Dimitri

[JMP]

There is a rangefinder its an analog system better known as milling.
Targetx(formula) divide by mils=range

Acogs use a premiled system and have been proven in service in all branches for the military, the ACSS uses the same technology.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Combat_Optical_Gunsight

ACSS 400 and 700 yard test using 5.56

http://youtu.be/nxwaiDeXP8c

ACSS HUD

http://youtu.be/r0oLPFNWCLE

600 yard test using .308

http://youtu.be/aUMXsBShNtQ

-Dimitri

Son, I hate to break it to you, but you can mil any FFP reticle that has hashmarks. I prefer a finer reticle for a bit more consistency. Just get a little practice and you'll find that more traditional reticles are easier and more universally applied. Distances like 500-600 yards or meters are pretty trivial (even if you don't know the range). For longer shots, you will want to range with a laser for more precision. It's really no biggy as they make them extremely small and light these days.

[RobertMW]

There was nothing intended there, it sounds like he is into target shooting not a battle style reticle.

-Dimitri

Hey, since there are a lot of people that want to buy your 1-6 as an easy way into multi-gun TacOps, have you ever thought about creating a modified ACSS reticule that has a rangefinder based off of an IPSC target?

[drifts1]

Hey, since there are a lot of people that want to buy your 1-6 as an easy way into multi-gun TacOps, have you ever thought about creating a modified ACSS reticule that has a rangefinder based off of an IPSC target?

Now that I would find useful, im betting 95%+ of the folks on this forum would as well.

[SuperSet]

Hey, since there are a lot of people that want to buy your 1-6 as an easy way into multi-gun TacOps, have you ever thought about creating a modified ACSS reticule that has a rangefinder based off of an IPSC target?

In 3-gun, shooter's don't range targets on the clock. You lase them prior to the course.

[PrimaryArms]

Considering Fixed Power vs Variable 1-6 Scope

Son, I hate to break it to you, but you can mil any FFP reticle that has hashmarks. I prefer a finer reticle for a bit more consistency. Just get a little practice and you'll find that more traditional reticles are easier and more universally applied. Distances like 500-600 yards or meters are pretty trivial (even if you don't know the range). For longer shots, you will want to range with a laser for more precision. It's really no biggy as they make them extremely small and light these days.

Son? And what does FFP have anything to do with miling? You can have a SFP mil as well.
Its a DMR set up and the mils are there. The same math you would try and do is been pre done. Its not only faster then milling but more accurate.Thank you for your input.

-Dimitri

[PrimaryArms]

Hey, since there are a lot of people that want to buy your 1-6 as an easy way into multi-gun TacOps, have you ever thought about creating a modified ACSS reticule that has a rangefinder based off of an IPSC target?

The center mass is set for 18" and why our 1-6 is popular in 3 gun comps, the large horse shoe allows you to be fast at 1x and the bdc with wind holds comes in really handy further out.

-Dimitri

[PrimaryArms]

In 3-gun, shooter's don't range targets on the clock. You lase them prior to the course.

Correct but because the center mass is set for 18" it allows to confirm the range and not get confused going from target in stress full situation. Further out. The ACSS reticle has been developed from years of R&D and feedback from Usmc and Army troops.Its a battle reticle that is headed in an Acog TA31.

-Dimitri

[PrimaryArms]

Now that I would find useful, im betting 95%+ of the folks on this forum would as well.

Actually the ACSS and our red dots are the top selling optics for us. Lots of threads on here.

-Dimitri

[drifts1]

I'm just gonna have to pull the trigger and get an ACSS something, but which one??? Oh boy'

[JMP]

Son? And what does FFP have anything to do with miling? You can have a SFP mil as well.
Its a DMR set up and the mils are there. The same math you would try and do is been pre done. Its not only faster then milling but more accurate.Thank you for your input.

-Dimitri

I really don't know what "math" you are talking about. At the limited distance that the 1-6x are capable, it's really trivial to anyone with even a remedial knowledge of optics. SFP crap really isn't up to task for your battlefield engagement that you represent with dudes with RPGs. You cannot hit what you cannot see, and in real life, in poor conditions, I guaranty that it won't be easy for target recognition. Folks don't march at you in straight lines wearing red coats in clear broad daylight. You will need to put that reticle on a real piece of glass with solid internals with solid construction before it it can even be taken seriously for the purpose you are representing it for. Until then, its use is limited to mall ninjas.

For cheap fun at the range, it may be a great optic. But, selling it as an actual battlefield scope is lunacy.

[Paperchasin]

For cheap fun at the range, it may be a great optic. But, selling it as an actual battlefield scope is lunacy.

I dont recall reading anything in this thread that claims that the PA scope is a battlefield scope. All that was mentioned was that the ACSS reticle was battle proven and references the use of a similar reticle in ACOGs. It appears to simply be an inference due to the ski mask/rpg pictorial of the ACSS.

Not even sure why people are piling onto Dimitri. I have zero affiliation with PA, but seems like he's just answering questions with straightforward answers. If you're complaining about the ACSS reticle, then the 1-6x PA scope simply isn't for you. Refer to my first post for other 1-6x options. Just keep in mind the price difference

[PrimaryArms]

Considering Fixed Power vs Variable 1-6 Scope

I really don't know what "math" you are talking about. At the limited distance that the 1-6x are capable, it's really trivial to anyone with even a remedial knowledge of optics. SFP crap really isn't up to task for your battlefield engagement that you represent with dudes with RPGs. You cannot hit what you cannot see, and in real life, in poor conditions, I guaranty that it won't be easy for target recognition. Folks don't march at you in straight lines wearing red coats in clear broad daylight. You will need to put that reticle on a real piece of glass with solid internals with solid construction before it it can even be taken seriously for the purpose you are representing it for. Until then, its use is limited to mall ninjas.



For cheap fun at the range, it may be a great optic. But, selling it as an actual battlefield scope is lunacy.

(Target size X formula/mil=R)
Because people don't march in straight lines with a range over their head is why the ACSS was created in the first place. In live situations people run take cover and end up in every angle. Wind is always there.
How do you range targets with your FFP?


-Dimitri

[PrimaryArms]

I'm just gonna have to pull the trigger and get an ACSS something, but which one??? Oh boy'

If you go under the product pages there are videos and you can see what you like.

-Dimitri