Considering Fixed Power vs Variable 1-6 Scope

[SuperSet]

The most interesting part about your post was the mention about 75gr BHA reloads. That rifle's gonna get pricey to shoot real quick.

[PrimaryArms]

Considering Fixed Power vs Variable 1-6 Scope

http://youtu.be/Z889a-pNblQ

-Dimitri

[FlyingPen]

The most interesting part about your post was the mention about 75gr BHA reloads. That rifle's gonna get pricey to shoot real quick.

Hah yep. I just saw some Mk262 clones for $500/1000 so maybe it won't be as bad?

[FlyingPen]

Interesting perspective from someone who owns both:


madbarbarian87 on AR15:
I own both their 4x prism and the 1-6x.

4x prism:

Built like a tank.
Very crisp and clear image
4x is great once you get past 50 yards or so.
Really nice eye relief and pretty forgiving eye box (more than a TA11 acog at least)
I mounted mine to an ADM ACOG mount and the screws loosened up on me. I didn't use locktite so I applied some to the base and the screws and it has been fine for now.

1-6x:

Quite a bit of distortion in the lenses compared to more expensive 1-6x
scope seems pretty dim. Low light shooting would probably be an issue.
If you crank the mag adjustment all the way to 1x I am pretty sure it sits between .8/.9x...as in you have to find the sweet spot for true 1x.
At 6x the eye box is ridiculously small. 1x isnt as bad. Pretty sure its a function of 1-6x scopes


I don't want to turn you off to the 1-6x but I do want to give my honest opinion. For a general purpose rifle the 4x prism is your best bet. 4x is that sweet spot between usability at closer range (25-200) and longer ranges (300-500) which is arguably the distance you would be shooting 5.56. Plus being a prism scope they are pretty much bullet proof.

The PA 1-6x is more of a purpose built scope for 3 gunners.I put mine on my .22 ar upper so I could use it to practice as a reflex sight and for scope shooting at various magnification. However, for the $300 or so that it costs, it is an amazing value. I shoot my .22 upper more than any other gun I have and I am glad that I have the 1-6x on it.

[FlyingPen]

The way I kind of see it, it's a lot like camera lenses.

A lot of manufacturers can deliver extremely high quality prime lenses for a very low price. Zoom lenses though, very good zoom lenses are hard to get at a budget price unless they're very dim.

From what little I know about optics in general, I feel like the Primary 4x will probably be very good. I feel the 1-6x, I should probably save up for from a European or American manuf.

[Paperchasin]

^^^ and just like photography, its all about the glass. It isn't uncommon to spend the same amount on an optic that you spent on the rifle.

[SuperSet]

Hah yep. I just saw some Mk262 clones for $500/1000 so maybe it won't be as bad?

Only because you mentioned 3 gun, I do what most people do. Shoot cheap 55gr reloads at anything 200Y and closer. I only shoot 77gr (aka The Precious) at anything 200Y and out.
So for 80-90% of your typical match expenditure (200-300 rounds), it's the cheap stuff.

[PrimaryArms]

Interesting perspective from someone who owns both:


madbarbarian87 on AR15:
I own both their 4x prism and the 1-6x.

4x prism:

Built like a tank.
Very crisp and clear image
4x is great once you get past 50 yards or so.
Really nice eye relief and pretty forgiving eye box (more than a TA11 acog at least)
I mounted mine to an ADM ACOG mount and the screws loosened up on me. I didn't use locktite so I applied some to the base and the screws and it has been fine for now.

1-6x:

Quite a bit of distortion in the lenses compared to more expensive 1-6x
scope seems pretty dim. Low light shooting would probably be an issue.
If you crank the mag adjustment all the way to 1x I am pretty sure it sits between .8/.9x...as in you have to find the sweet spot for true 1x.
At 6x the eye box is ridiculously small. 1x isnt as bad. Pretty sure its a function of 1-6x scopes


I don't want to turn you off to the 1-6x but I do want to give my honest opinion. For a general purpose rifle the 4x prism is your best bet. 4x is that sweet spot between usability at closer range (25-200) and longer ranges (300-500) which is arguably the distance you would be shooting 5.56. Plus being a prism scope they are pretty much bullet proof.

The PA 1-6x is more of a purpose built scope for 3 gunners.I put mine on my .22 ar upper so I could use it to practice as a reflex sight and for scope shooting at various magnification. However, for the $300 or so that it costs, it is an amazing value. I shoot my .22 upper more than any other gun I have and I am glad that I have the 1-6x on it.

Weird you must have the gen1 1-6 not the gen2 the glass on that is really clear.

http://youtu.be/zGhz6FJDTj0

-Dimitri

[PrimaryArms]

Considering Fixed Power vs Variable 1-6 Scope

Interesting perspective from someone who owns both:


madbarbarian87 on AR15:
I own both their 4x prism and the 1-6x.

4x prism:

Built like a tank.
Very crisp and clear image
4x is great once you get past 50 yards or so.
Really nice eye relief and pretty forgiving eye box (more than a TA11 acog at least)
I mounted mine to an ADM ACOG mount and the screws loosened up on me. I didn't use locktite so I applied some to the base and the screws and it has been fine for now.

1-6x:

Quite a bit of distortion in the lenses compared to more expensive 1-6x
scope seems pretty dim. Low light shooting would probably be an issue.
If you crank the mag adjustment all the way to 1x I am pretty sure it sits between .8/.9x...as in you have to find the sweet spot for true 1x.
At 6x the eye box is ridiculously small. 1x isnt as bad. Pretty sure its a function of 1-6x scopes


I don't want to turn you off to the 1-6x but I do want to give my honest opinion. For a general purpose rifle the 4x prism is your best bet. 4x is that sweet spot between usability at closer range (25-200) and longer ranges (300-500) which is arguably the distance you would be shooting 5.56. Plus being a prism scope they are pretty much bullet proof.

The PA 1-6x is more of a purpose built scope for 3 gunners.I put mine on my .22 ar upper so I could use it to practice as a reflex sight and for scope shooting at various magnification. However, for the $300 or so that it costs, it is an amazing value. I shoot my .22 upper more than any other gun I have and I am glad that I have the 1-6x on it.

Double

[FlyingPen]

Ah I see so the second gen has better quality glass as well? I tried out a trijicon vcog today and it was nice. How does the second gen compare?

[PrimaryArms]

Considering Fixed Power vs Variable 1-6 Scope

Ah I see so the second gen has better quality glass as well? I tried out a trijicon vcog today and it was nice. How does the second gen compare?

The Trijicon glass is clearer but your looking at 2 different price points. What makes our 1-6 best bang for the buck is not only the optic but the reticle. In our testing the ACSS has easily out performed high end optics. Its one thing to shoot at a known distance and a whole other shooting at unknown ranges and in wind.




-Dimitri

[jonzer77]

The Trijicon glass is clearer but your looking at 2 different price points. What makes our 1-6 best bang for the buck is not only the optic but the reticle. In our testing the ACSS has easily out performed high end optics. Its one thing to shoot at a known distance and a whole other shooting at unknown ranges and in wind.




-Dimitri

How are you supposed to identify the target with that giant reticle?


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[PrimaryArms]

How are you supposed to identify the target with that giant reticle?


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What lol how giant do you think it is?


Please research it and read the reviews. The ACSS system will soon be found on a TA31

-Dimitri

[JMP]

How are you supposed to identify the target with that giant reticle?

Apparently many like it. I agree with you that I personally do not like all the noise of that reticle. It seems to be geared for more novice shooters to distinguish ranges that aren't that tough anyways.

Have you seen the P4L? I like this reticle since it has a very fine crosshair, and it gives additional measurement features that do not obstruct your view. This is much more thought out for longer distance and shorter distance shooting, in my opinion. It seems that the more experienced shooters prefer this more simplified system. To make it more universal, they've provided measurements in both imperial and SI.

http://www.eurooptic.com/PDF/Schmidt-Bender-PMII-Reticle-P4L-Fine-5-25x56.pdf

[ExtremeX]

The problem with the P4L reticle is that they didn't use a dude in a ski mask holding an RPG in the reticle data sheet to help sell it. Guy with RPG makes for a very convincing argument for most people buying that reticle design for general target and range use.