Considering Fixed Power vs Variable 1-6 Scope

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Click boom check these out.

http://youtu.be/S0N0Fs0ov1w

There is a 5x coming.

http://youtu.be/LRfwPazE8Kw

-Dimitri

2.5 vs 4 is a tough choice.

[bombadillo]

If you're going to want a budget low power variable, look at the Bushnell ARoptics 1-4x24 PCL Throwdown.

http://www.bushnell.com/tactical/rifle-scopes/ar-optics/1-4x-24mm-throw-down-pcl

http://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Illuminated-Reticle-Riflescope-Turrets/dp/B00AU6EIIY

These have incredibly clear FOR THE MONEY glass. I just purchased one and I'm by no means saying its a Schmidt and Bender, but it has virtually no edge distortion that I can see, glass is nice and clear, it's not hazy nor does it have a tint to it at all, and is a great little optic with FFP glass, and perfect on an AR. I threw mine in a scope mount that cost almost as much as the glass from ADM with QD base and it functions fantastic.

[Click Boom]

If you're going to want a budget low power variable, look at the Bushnell ARoptics 1-4x24 PCL Throwdown.

http://www.bushnell.com/tactical/rifle-scopes/ar-optics/1-4x-24mm-throw-down-pcl

http://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Illuminated-Reticle-Riflescope-Turrets/dp/B00AU6EIIY

These have incredibly clear FOR THE MONEY glass. I just purchased one and I'm by no means saying its a Schmidt and Bender, but it has virtually no edge distortion that I can see, glass is nice and clear, it's not hazy nor does it have a tint to it at all, and is a great little optic with FFP glass, and perfect on an AR. I threw mine in a scope mount that cost almost as much as the glass from ADM with QD base and it functions fantastic.

Those have the worst glass of all the budget 1-4x scopes ive looked at.

[bombadillo]

You sure you looked at the same scope. Maybe I got a factory freak, but mine is a lot clearer than my Vortex Viper that cost me 3x the price.

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I am soo close to getting a 6.5 the BC is crazy!
-Dimitri

Lot of guys moving to the new 6mm creed... still better barrel life than the 243, with those high BC/high vel bullets, but it's still a short barrel life overall... even the 6.5 might go about 2,800 or so- some people less.

Always a trade off... but the high bc/near half windage correction is sweet.

[JMP]

I am soo close to getting a 6.5 the BC is crazy!
-Dimitri

You really should, and I am surprised you haven't. 6.5 short action cartridges seem to be intrinsically well-balanced cartridges where they lend themselves toward very good accuracy. They are exceptional for tactical/practical applications, which you seem geared toward.

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My local matches have a "top 308 prize".

They get whooped so bad for holdover/windage......

It's incredibly rare, but on occasion someone wins with 308... but it''s a huge disadvantage.

Look at bushnell brawl, snipers hide cup etc.... basically no one in the big matches shoot a 308 anymore because it's such a handicap.

It's the perfect starter cartridge to learn LR and decide if it's really your game or not... I still recommend 308 for beginners. After that beginner stage, and you catch the bug, you realize quickly just how much it hurts you in a match.

[PrimaryArms]

Considering Fixed Power vs Variable 1-6 Scope

My local matches have a "top 308 prize".

They get whooped so bad for holdover/windage......

It's incredibly rare, but on occasion someone wins with 308... but it''s a huge disadvantage.

Look at bushnell brawl, snipers hide cup etc.... basically no one in the big matches shoot a 308 anymore because it's such a handicap.

It's the perfect starter cartridge to learn LR and decide if it's really your game or not... I still recommend 308 for beginners. After that beginner stage, and you catch the bug, you realize quickly just how much it hurts you in a match.

I am soo busy testing our optics that I have no time to load or shoot my guns anymore
All I do is shoot 5.56 and 7.62x51 .. I finally got a brake and got to shoot some 22LR! When these come out grab one they are sooo much fun!



This is at 200 yards using a bipod and rear bag.
Read the post below as well

-Dimitri

[PrimaryArms]

Considering Fixed Power vs Variable 1-6 Scope

Almost forgot .308 and 30-06 for the upcoming Orion 4-14FFP designed for deer hunters

https://vimeo.com/119031065

Enjoy our sport because when it becomes work it takes the fun out of it. If I ever get a brake I will get a 6.5 what bullet do you like? I am sad to say it but I don't enjoy shooting as much as I used to.



-Dimitri

[JMP]

I will get a 6.5 what bullet do you like?

I like the 139gr Scenar from a 6.5CD. From the major makers, Lapua virtually universally makes the most uniform bullets in weight and geometry. They also tend to have good designs, and those are very long bullets, so having a reliable, published G7 makes for more accurate calculations. That said, the 140gr Hornady is probably the most used for the 6.5CD since it's Hornady's cartridge.

[PrimaryArms]

I like the 139gr Scenar from a 6.5CD. From the major makers, Lapua virtually universally makes the most uniform bullets in weight and geometry. They also tend to have good designs, and those are very long bullets, so having a reliable, published G7 makes for more accurate calculations. That said, the 140gr Hornady is probably the most used for the 6.5CD since it's Hornady's cartridge.

Is the hornady cheap like all other calibers it makes?

[JMP]

Is the hornady cheap like all other calibers it makes?

In terms of price, yes. And, I'd agree that most of the stuff Hornady makes is cheap crap. But, I'd say that the 6.5CD is about the best cartridge they manufacture. One of the downsides to 6.5CD is that, for now, you are limited to Hornady brass. A little over a year ago, Nosler started making a good piece of brass that retails for about double Hornady brass. That's what I use, but it now seems very hard to get. Then, Norma started making brass in 2014, again at about 2x Hornady price. But, the Norma brass, well, I have never even seen a piece of it in real life. I have had a backorder in for a while to get a set. But, it's been around long enough to get a good set of Redding comp dies.

The 260 Rem is another good cartridge that performs similarly to the 6.5CD. The 6.5 Lapua is an interesting cartridge. It's a bit smaller and will like slightly lighter bullets. It won't do quite as well on the longer side, but the small primer pockets on the Lapua brass last forever, it's very accurate, and it has a long barrel life.

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Considering Fixed Power vs Variable 1-6 Scope

In terms of price, yes. And, I'd agree that most of the stuff Hornady makes is cheap crap. But, I'd say that the 6.5CD is about the best cartridge they manufacture. One of the downsides to 6.5CD is that, for now, you are limited to Hornady brass. A little over a year ago, Nosler started making a good piece of brass that retails for about double Hornady brass. That's what I use, but it now seems very hard to get. Then, Norma started making brass in 2014, again at about 2x Hornady price. But, the Norma brass, well, I have never even seen a piece of it in real life. I have had a backorder in for a while to get a set. But, it's been around long enough to get a good set of Redding comp dies.



The 260 Rem is another good cartridge that performs similarly to the 6.5CD. The 6.5 Lapua is an interesting cartridge. It's a bit smaller and will like slightly lighter bullets. It won't do quite as well on the longer side, but the small primer pockets on the Lapua brass last forever, it's very accurate, and it has a long barrel life.

I have always had good luck with Hornady and it doesn't brake the bank. More luck then I have had with SMK I get all kinds OAL and weight variations.

-Dimitri

[JMP]

I have always had good luck with Hornady and it doesn't brake the bank. More luck then I have had with SMK I get all kinds OAL and weight variations.

-Dimitri

The 140gr Hornady A-Max will suit you fine. SMKs are known to have non-uniform meplats, which give a fluctuation in OAL, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will be inaccurate.

The 139gr Scenar is a very good bullet, and you will see that if you buy the 1,000 bullet boxes, the price falls down closer to the other brands. I think this may have to do with the packing. The 1,000 bullet boxes come in a cheap cardboard box in a ghetto *** plastic bag that will always break, and the 100 bullet boxes come in a nice plastic case with stickers and such.

The 139gr Scenar is actually a fair amount cheaper than the 105gr Scenar, which is an excellent 6mm bullet--probably because the 105gr is in higher demand as 6mm is more popular among precision or BR style shooters.

Of the factory bullets, Berger seems to be the most en vogue and pricey these days.

[PrimaryArms]

Considering Fixed Power vs Variable 1-6 Scope

The 140gr Hornady A-Max will suit you fine. SMKs are known to have non-uniform meplats, which give a fluctuation in OAL, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will be inaccurate.



The 139gr Scenar is a very good bullet, and you will see that if you buy the 1,000 bullet boxes, the price falls down closer to the other brands. I think this may have to do with the packing. The 1,000 bullet boxes come in a cheap cardboard box in a ghetto *** plastic bag that will always break, and the 100 bullet boxes come in a nice plastic case with stickers and such.



The 139gr Scenar is actually a fair amount cheaper than the 105gr Scenar, which is an excellent 6mm bullet--probably because the 105gr is in higher demand as 6mm is more popular among precision or BR style shooters.



Of the factory bullets, Berger seems to be the most en vogue and pricey these days.

http://youtu.be/Z889a-pNblQ

At the end I shoot one of my favorite self defense
loads 26c Varget with 60gr vmax rapid fire at 400 yards! It subs and the first 3 are under an inch! Its good out to 600 but after that the lack of a boat tail. 75hndy is very accurate for me as well in .224 at least.

What is your favorite 6.5 load including fps? I am curious how it would line up on my .308 reticle.

-Dimitri