Have an Old Winchester?

[CrazyED]

Trapp55:
Looking for some help on 2 Winchester 1897s. My grandfather just ran across these 2 guns, his lady friend has them and wants to get rid of them. they were her dads and I guess are apparently in pristine condition. Wood, bore and all metal is mint condition. Are these guns worth anything? I believe they are the standard edition but i'm not totally sure.

#482197
#338084 D

Thanks.

[TRAP55]

#482197 was made in early 1910, with 39,832 made that year.
#338084 D was made in 1906, with 42,645 made that year.
The "D" was to indicate a production change, could have been something as simple as changing one screw size, or even how the screw was made. There isn't to my knowledge, any real info concerning the letter prefix/suffix on Winchester serial numbers, and the production change they would indicate.

Value? "pristine" and "mint" can easily describe a refinished gun to the untrained eye, or an unmolested safe queen. There are some versions of the 1897 that bring a premium, some a BIG premium! With the cowboy action shooting, many have been re-finished and/or chopped, so even Field grade guns have come up in value.
Even with pics, I can only guesstimate. Bert Hartman prefers a hands on evaluation, but with good quality pics, he will give you an honest appraisal with current fair market price.
You can email him at: Win1885@msn.com
Tell him Trap sent you, and be sure to put "1897 Winchester" in the subject line.

[CrazyED]

Thanks so much for the response!

[DC45]

Hi Trap...
I have a few, if you don't mind.
Win 1895 SN 419927 Caliber? Barrel says .30, but is that .30-06, .30-30, .30-40, .303?
Win 1892 SN 11188
Win 61 SN 99181
Win 1897 135292 C
Thanks.

[TRAP55]

Hi Trap...
I have a few, if you don't mind.
Win 1895 SN 419927 Caliber? Barrel says .30, but is that .30-06, .30-30, .30-40, .303?
Win 1892 SN 11188
Win 61 SN 99181
Win 1897 135292 C
Thanks.

Win 1895 SN 419927 was made early in 1924, only 1144 made that year, with serial numbers from 419731 to 420874. Marked ".30 Army" would be a 30/40, too late a production to be a 30-03, so marked ".30", it has to be a 30/06. The 06 was the only rimless of those choices with the 30/03 exception, bolt face will confirm that.

Win 1892 SN 11188 was made in 1893, with 15,683 made that year.

Win 61 SN 99181 was made in early 1948, with 24,175 made that year.

Win 1897 135292 C was made in 1901, with 34,209 made that year.

[irish7734]

Hey ya Trap,
model 12
240223

thanks,
Irish

[TRAP55]

Hey ya Trap,
model 12
240223

thanks,
Irish

Irish, that one was made early in 1920, with 50,959 made that year.

[Steve467]

Hi Trap,
My dad handed down to me a ,
Winchester Model 64, Serial #11303XX, 32 ws 24 in barrel, found a number 36 stamped
in-front of the trigger. Are papers available showing who ordered the rifle? either my grandfather or his dad. Back in 1937 it's a toss up.
any information greatly appreciated.

Thank you, Trap
Steve,

[TRAP55]

Hi Trap,
My dad handed down to me a ,
Winchester Model 64, Serial #11303XX, 32 ws 24 in barrel, found a number 36 stamped
in-front of the trigger. Are papers available showing who ordered the rifle? either my grandfather or his dad. Back in 1937 it's a toss up.
any information greatly appreciated.

Thank you, Trap
Steve,

Steve, Made in 1937.
The Model 64 serial numbers were in the Model 1894 range, so I don't have the production number of 64's for that year. They were made from 1933 to 1957, with an approximate total of 66,783 made.
Bert Hartman is doing a survey on the 64's, and has access to the Cody records, he can tell you if there is a letter available. "IF" there is, it can show as little as to when it was shipped, or show that, and where it was shipped, and can include the business it was shipped to, like a hardware store. Special order rifles "may" sometimes include for who, but very rare.
Any special features the rifle had when shipped will be noted, and any repairs or alterations done, if sent back to Winchester for the work.
You can contact Bert at Win1885@msn.com , tell him Trap sent you, and be sure to put "Winchester Model 64" in the subject line. He'll want good clear pics too!

[arsilva32]

SN. 424766B, made 1892, 35,969 made that year
SN. 295951B, made 1889, 38,651 made that year, PR records on both.

Looking at this list of sterilized numbers, really gets you thinking.
Pretty amazing when you think how primitive things were in 1889, how complex an 1873 is, and they still produced over "38 THOUSAND" rifles that year!
And 122 years later, it was made well enough that it's still here, and probably in working condition. Think about it for a minute, how many other tools in your house right now are 122 yrs old?

no doubt! very well made rifles.i bet there are not many modern firearms that will survive that long.


great thread!

[Steve467]

Thanks again Trap. Will contact Bert H. have to figure out wife's camera,lol. Getting this one nailed down is great. Only six more guns to research....btw I love the this forum a great resource to have available. And a great read too..

Thanks again, take care.
Steve

[J-rod39]

Trap when you get a minute I have a few Winchesters for you to check if you don't mind.
94 SRC #596559
94 SRC #941693
94 SRC #986087
94 #2217463
94 #1067528

1895 #20627
1895 #40598

Model 12 16ga Black Diamond #162050

Thanks!

[TRAP55]

Trap when you get a minute I have a few Winchesters for you to check if you don't mind.
94 SRC #596559
94 SRC #941693
94 SRC #986087
94 #2217463
94 #1067528

1895 #20627
1895 #40598

Model 12 16ga Black Diamond #162050

Thanks!

A FEW??? I want your gun safe!

94 SRC #596559 made early 1913, 54,023 made that year.
94 SRC #941693 made 1922, with 15,722 made that year.
94 SRC #986087 made late 1925, with 13,027 made that year.
94 #2217463 made early 1956, with 55,500 made that year.
94 #1067528 made 1930, with 10,521 made that year.

1895 #20627 made early 1899, with 4,744 made that year. 699th C&R 1895 made in 1899.
1895 #40598 made 1903, with 4,504 made that year.

Model 12 16ga Black Diamond #162050 made early in 1917, with 33,649 made that year. You owe me a pic of this one!

[J-rod39]

LOL! You can have the safe but the guns stay with me! All my over time at work lately has caused me to have an issue with my safe suddenly being too small

The model 12 has seen quite a few rounds of trap from the looks of it but it still functions well. I got lucky when I bought it the gun store had no clue what they had and I got it for about 1/6 of what its worth! I almost felt bad.....almost. I will try to get you some pics this weekend.

Thanks for all the great info!!!

[finloq]

Trap, how about:
'94 #2321552