Getting into some lite target shooting in 308, help pick gun!

[BillyGoatCrawler]

This is about to get good.

I told you so!!! (screaming in a five year old voice)

These precision/LR threads, whatever you want to call them, always end up entertaining.

OP, if you are planning to keep it to 600 yards mainly I'd say take JMPs advice on a .223 - Find a used remington 700 or something with a good action that you'd build upon later.

With match ammo, it can be surprisingly accurate at that range and still fun with cheaper fmj ammo. Shooting .223 will be cheap, you'll get to put tons of rounds down range and learn a lot. You can really work on fundementals since a .223 won't make you flinch and you'll be able to spot impacts easily. If you feel it is right for you and are bored with the .223 and want to push further, have a gunsmith drop in a nice barrel in a bigger caliber.

Not sure what your knowledge level is, so just in case you didn't know, the .223 in most all bolt actions runs on the same short action that .308win, 6.5creedmoor, .243win, and a lot of other common precision rounds run off of. So a new barrel and bolt face would have you changed over to a more capable, but more expensive caliber if you want to stay in the precision game.

[nedro]

So, the only thing that you guys taught the OP was that if he picks up long range shooting, he'll have to start arguing with 6 year olds.
What a shame.

[FromTheGrave]

The way I understood his post is a 65 year old lady using iron sights beat a bunch of guys with scopes. The hitting the targets X with Mauser was him. The getting a Mosin, M98 or Remington are for learning and having fun.

Lynn,

TMB already pointed out what was really said.

Just because you choose to twist and turn what was said into a way for you to sound important and glorify yourself, doesn't mean anyone cares.

G Man, and Standish both presented perfectly coherent and helpful posts.

On topic:

I was in the same position as the OP.

I ended up with :

Savage FCP HS Precision .308 (slightly used)
SWFA SS 10x
SWFA rings
EGW 20 MOA base
and a cheap bipod (UTG I think)

All in was about $1100. I'm happy with it. It's more accurate than me and routinely shoots 1/2-3/4 moa with match ammo. The only thing holding it back from tighter groups is me.

[rd2play]

So, the only thing that you guys taught the OP was that if he picks up long range shooting, he'll have to start arguing with 6 year olds.
What a shame.

Not fair. The answers are here, in spite of the various off topics.

[Kestryll]

So, the only thing that you guys taught the OP was that if he picks up long range shooting, he'll have to start arguing with 6 year olds.
What a shame.

So true.

This could have been a useful and even informative thread.

Instead it's been turned in to a pissfest with people trying to see who can be the bigger elitist snob.

[rbduffer]

On topic:

I was in the same position as the OP.

I ended up with :

Savage FCP HS Precision .308 (slightly used)
SWFA SS 10x
SWFA rings
EGW 20 MOA base
and a cheap bipod (UTG I think)

All in was about $1100. I'm happy with it. It's more accurate than me and routinely shoots 1/2-3/4 moa with match ammo. The only thing holding it back from tighter groups is me.[/QUOTE]



^^^^^^^This is exactly what I did, but with a Boyds stock, 3/4-1" groups.
I'm not that good......Yet!

[bubbala]

:Mossberg MVP Patrol Talo Edition- $654
:CZ 550 Varmint Tacticool- $900
:Tikka T3 CTR tactical- $955
:Steyr Scout- $1350

it's a shame that the sig ssg 3000 isn't available for it's old price of $1200.
it's a little heavy but shoots one hole with the right ammo.
i just got my 2nd one for $1800.
i think the steyr or cz might be a good second choice if you're looking for factory rifles to learn with. good luck and flame on guys

[JMP]

I watched a 65 yo women whip has at Sac Valley Shooting in FT/R with IRON sights at 1,000 yards. Over the scope boys.

You are asking the wrong question to the wrong people in the wrong place.

Flouncer
If your talking about Noma Mayo tell us what rifle she is shooting and which iron sights.

Lynn, Noma Mayo? That cannot be who is his talking about. Doesn't her sling, jacket, stock, action, barrel, and sights, etc. put her rig closer to $5,000???

Lynn isn't done shooting his load all over himself with his name dropping, self-serving, egotistical drivel.

Guys, I think there was a misunderstanding here. I am not seeing the elitist egotistical stuff. It's probably my fault for derailing the thread with my comment on the cost of her gear.

I think some folks didn't understand Lynn's subtle deduction rather than "name dropping".

The point was that the poster recommending the cheap stuff was either told a story that sounded like granny coming out with irons and whooping up on the field. He was either ignorant of the fact that the granny was really use world class equipment or implanted dishonest innuendo into his post.

The point is that the 65 year old granny didn't just show up with irons and beat everyone. Rather, she is probably using the better gear than anyone posting in this thread.

Moral: Yes, it is absolutely best to use the best gear you can.

Personally, I am on the side that if one is dedicated, he should start with the absolute best he can afford. The reason for that is that it helps isolate errors and forms a faster learning curve. There are three main aspects to shooting accurately, your rig, your ammo, and the shooter. If you can get the rig and ammo, then you know the problem in your shooting. The ammo and the shooter are the most difficult parts to attain. The rig you can just buy, so why not make life easier on yourself? I see people trying to learn with cheap crap and when they fail, it's too hard to isolate the issue. If you start with good stuff, then you know you are the problem and can make adjustments accordingly.

There is some false sense that using nice gear is some sort of right of passage. That isn't true. In America, you can spend your money as you please. I have no problem with a person that has never shot showing up to the range with a $10k+ rig. If he is serious, he'll learn a lot faster than someone shooting a Mosin or a Mauser. Learning to shoot accurately on a rifle with an eroded barrel just isn't a good idea. On the other hand, most new people do not go out and rebarrel; ergo, I say it is just to start out good.

That's just my opinion.

[LynnJr]

JMP
Of course you are correct.
I recommend a $1000 rifle the same one Kestryl bought and Flouncer says the OP is asking the wrong question with the wrong people.
Calling Noma Mayo a 65 year old lady instead of one of the nations best Shooters is silly. She has been competing for 40 years has won atleast 4 titles plus a national title and the only women shooters better than her would maybe be the Gallaghers.

What does the nations top female Shooter have to do with the OP's question?
Her rifle costs more than $5000.
I don't think people posting using there real names are the problem.

[Guardian Mode]

https://www.ammobros.com/product_info.php?products_id=79930

Savage 10 FCP-SR for $670 local.
What else do you need than this?

[ar15barrels]

Savage 10 FCP-SR for $670 local.
What else do you need than this?

Asked and answered:

yeah, not a fan of anything savage.

[Guardian Mode]

Sorry. Go this one confused with the 308 post previously. Or maybe the one before that.
Was the 700p mentioned? The rpr is STRONG for $1k.
700p is what most of these buyers should be getting into.
That or a 700 Varmint in the future magpul stock.
My savage fcp-sr idea is great for those of us that want bang for the buck out of the box.
This buyer is likely a future Tikka ctr owner.

[BDH]

Tikka T3 Sporter http://www.eurooptic.com/tikka-t3-sporter.aspx (.223, .260 Rem. or .308)

Ruger Precision Rifle

Remington or Savage. All will do nicely. Brownell's often has Remington actions and I think Savage has bare actions as well.

Bruce

[LynnJr]

JMP
I will PM you what I found out from the guys at Sacramento.

[glockman19]

Sorry. Go this one confused with the 308 post previously. Or maybe the one before that.
Was the 700p mentioned? The rpr is STRONG for $1k.
700p is what most of these buyers should be getting into.
That or a 700 Varmint in the future magpul stock.
My savage fcp-sr idea is great for those of us that want bang for the buck out of the box.
This buyer is likely a future Tikka ctr owner.

Remington 700P was mentioned in post #17 & post #51.