VP9 Hype

[Lead Waster]

Also a note on the plastic guide rod. Like I mentioned above, a Glock recoil assembly costs $8. EIGHT BUCKS. Seriously, if you put 10k rounds in your gun per year, spend the 8 bucks per year and stop worrying about it!

Arguing about the durability of an easily replaceable part is silly. Like saying that Ferrari's suck because the windshield wipers only last a year.

[jonzer77]

If you were barricaded in your bedroom, with no guns around, and 4 home invaders were pounding at the door ... I'll poke my head in the window and say "Hey, want to buy this Glock 17 and loaded 10 round magazine? $5000"...





LOL





Poly guns are great when executed properly (GLock, XD, PPQ, M&P, VP9).

Price is a supply/demand sort of thing.



Honestly, they are made with $20 worth of materials, maybe toss in $5 for Tennifer finish. But you aren't paying for lumps of raw materials. You are paying for a proven, reliable, finished product that have hundreds of thousands of rounds of testing on them by other people.



And $800 poly gun is worth it if you have to jump though hoops to get a pistol. If, there are other $500 guns that are better (steel or poly), then the $800 poly gun might not be a huge bargain, unless, you NEED it, then it's worth whatever you can get it for.



.22 lr ammo is not worth what it's selling for now except if you NEED it, then it is.

So you tell the bad guys to wait 10-11 days?

[islabaseball]

Just curious would anybody pay for HK VP9 LEO night sights and 3 mags OTD $850? Is this a good deal with all fees and stuff

[viet4lifeOC]

Just curious would anybody pay for HK VP9 LEO night sights and 3 mags OTD $850? Is this a good deal with all fees and stuff

I decided to only get the standard sights.

When I initially started...I bought most of my handguns with night sights. Now I just think it's a waste of money.

Unless its a carry or HD gun....standard sights for me.

[tacticalcity]

Figures...pretty much par for the course. People will still be all hot and bothered for them despite any criticism that comes out. Even though the buzz for the S&W SHIELD has cooled down considerably since its release, and even though it has a VERY heavy trigger and long reset, people are still pretty crazy about it due to it being just a little bit slimmer than the Glock 26/27. Frankly, I'd rather have the better trigger...but I will admit it is tough call.

The disappointment you feel is how I have felt about every so called Glock killer to hit the market. They always have improved styling and grips, but rarely do they have an improved action. The triggers are always heavier than the Glocks and the rest is always longer. Those are the two best features of the Glock action, and thus far all the companies trying to knock them out of the first place spot for the striker fired market keep failing to duplicate or improve upon them.

The XD was the first to get huge buzz. But failed to live up to its hype. I recognized the flaws instantly, but a lot of big names bought into the buzz. It actually took about 3 years for people to cool off to it. The M&P still has a lot of buzz behind it, despite having a heavier trigger and longer rest. The PPQ has a nice little niche following, but never took off the way the XD or M&P line did. Actually never got around to playing with one so I cannot speak to whether I like it or not. The SIG 250 crashed and burned due to the DAK trigger not having a reset at all. You have to completely release the trigger before you can fire follow up shots. The list goes on...

So far the only ones to impress me are the SIG 320, which is too chunky for me but otherwise I do like it, and the FN FNS Series which upon first glance had everything I could ask for. But I am giving them time on the market so others find the flaws before I fork over my money. I have found it is good to let others discover the quirks first. That way the manufacturer has time to fix them...if they will even acknowledge them that is.

All that said...there is nothing wrong with wanting something new. I get that urge too. There is also nothing wrong with brand loyalty. HK owners who have been served well by the brand and want to get into the striker fired world, now have an excuse to. Nothing wrong with that. Might want to back off on the Glock bashing though...because lets be honest, this is HKs version of a Glock. If Glocks sucked, there wouldn't be so many other excellent companies like HK trying to make their own version.

[_TomT_]

The disappointment you feel is how I have felt about every so called Glock killer to hit the market. They always have improved styling and grips, but rarely do they have an improved action. The triggers are always heavier than the Glocks and the rest is always longer. Those are the two best features of the Glock action, and thus far all the companies trying to knock them out of the first place spot for the striker fired market keep failing to duplicate or improve upon them.

Glocks have generally 35 or fewer parts, the VP9 has 74. The VP9's trigger is much more complicated than the Glock. That being a good or bad thing we will have to wait and see.

[tacticalcity]

Glocks have generally 35 or fewer parts, the VP9 has 74. The VP9's trigger is much more complicated than the Glock. That being a good or bad thing we will have to wait and see.

I'm OK with complicated, so long as it works. Time will tell.

I have yet to handle one. My initial concern would be the pull weight, pull length, and reset length. Being a striker fired gun I assume the pull weight will always be the same.

This is the main area where I have found other striker fired guns to be lacking.

Excess trigger movement translates to movement in the hand and pulling yourself off target when firing at full speed.

I've actually had bad luck with the HK I owned. You would expect that for the money they would be outstanding in every way. But the USP I owned had a really crappy finish. The first time I holstered it the finish wore completely off in multiple spots. And the holster was not rough or too snug either. Really surprising how crappy that finish was...and it only got worse from there. So I highly doubt this gun will ever make it into my collection after that lousy experience.

That said, if when I handle one it knocks my socks off, and if over time it fairs pretty well...then maybe. Never say never!

[static2126]

Owning both the PPQ (3+ years) and Vp9 (2 months but 2.5k rounds through one), i feel they are both better than my beloved G19's. There is no excessive pull weight. I did not like the P320 I had and sold it after 2 range sessions.

I'm OK with complicated, so long as it works. Time will tell.

I have yet to handle one. My initial concern would be the pull weight, pull length, and reset length. Being a striker fired gun I assume the pull weight will always be the same.

This is the main area where I have found other striker fired guns to be lacking.

Excess trigger movement translates to movement in the hand and pulling yourself off target when firing at full speed.

I've actually had bad luck with the HKs I've owned. You would expect that for the money they would be outstanding in every way. But the USP I owned had a really crappy finish. The first time I holstered it the finish wore completely off. It only got worse from there. So I highly doubt this gun will ever make it into my collection.

That said, if when I handle one it knocks my socks off, and if over time it fairs pretty well...then maybe.

[tacticalcity]

SIG P320: Sold it after 2 range sessions? Got a list of dislikes? Save me some money down the road. Tell me/us why it fell short.

Walther PPA and HK VP9: Like them better than a Glock? That them there are fightin' words! LOL! It would take a heck of a lot for me to say that. But ya never know. Anything is possible.

[SoGetThis]

Figures...pretty much par for the course. People will still be all hot and bothered for them despite any criticism that comes out. Even though the buzz for the S&W SHIELD has cooled down considerably since its release, and even though it has a VERY heavy trigger and long reset, people are still pretty crazy about it due to it being just a little bit slimmer than the Glock 26/27. Frankly, I'd rather have the better trigger...but I will admit it is tough call.

The disappointment you feel is how I have felt about every so called Glock killer to hit the market. They always have improved styling and grips, but rarely do they have an improved action. The triggers are always heavier than the Glocks and the rest is always longer. Those are the two best features of the Glock action, and thus far all the companies trying to knock them out of the first place spot for the striker fired market keep failing to duplicate or improve upon them.

The XD was the first to get huge buzz. But failed to live up to its hype. I recognized the flaws instantly, but a lot of big names bought into the buzz. It actually took about 3 years for people to cool off to it. The M&P still has a lot of buzz behind it, despite having a heavier trigger and longer rest. The PPQ has a nice little niche following, but never took off the way the XD or M&P line did. Actually never got around to playing with one so I cannot speak to whether I like it or not. The SIG 250 crashed and burned due to the DAK trigger not having a reset at all. You have to completely release the trigger before you can fire follow up shots. The list goes on...

So far the only ones to impress me are the SIG 320, which is too chunky for me but otherwise I do like it, and the FN FNS Series which upon first glance had everything I could ask for. But I am giving them time on the market so others find the flaws before I fork over my money. I have found it is good to let others discover the quirks first. That way the manufacturer has time to fix them...if they will even acknowledge them that is.

All that said...there is nothing wrong with wanting something new. I get that urge too. There is also nothing wrong with brand loyalty. HK owners who have been served well by the brand and want to get into the striker fired world, now have an excuse to. Nothing wrong with that. Might want to back off on the Glock bashing though...because lets be honest, this is HKs version of a Glock. If Glocks sucked, there wouldn't be so many other excellent companies like HK trying to make their own version.

People are hot and bothered for whatever new gun comes out and they'll turn a blind eye to whatever issues might arise. Glocks have had follower issues and BTF but many still say they are the best gun ever. Proven reliability that can't be touched. Any fanboy exhibits blind allegiance and likes to bash other brands while touting the superiority of theirs.

As for the Sig P320. Some issues are already arising. Seems like peening of the barrel could be an issue due to the way the slide is milled. FNS has that slide lock issue which should now be resolved. Their triggers seem to vary quite a bit from gun to gun. Some break pretty crisply with little creep and others are quite bad. Pull weights seem to range from 8 to 5.5lbs. The design of the mag release causes some people to accidentally hit it.

In the end we all choose our guns for whatever reasons or biases we have. There's no need to defend ourselves or diminish others. It's a personal choice and people should just learn to respect that.

[Herk8240]

Best review of the VP9 yet. If I was on the fence about getting one, this would seal the deal. http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgu...p9-review.html

[tacticalcity]

Well I've never experienced issues with the followers in my magazines. I've seen posts discussing how to tell which one you have and what to upgrade it with, but it never applied since mine ran flawlessly. My original pre-ban mags and the mags that came with the new additions I collected over the years have never needed replacing. If i had experienced it, it would not have turned me off Glocks. Followers are pretty easy to replace.

I must not be up to date on my acronyms, but what does BTF stand for? Did you mean FTF (and if so did you mean feed or fire)? The only time I ever experienced failure to feed or failure to fire issues in my Glocks was when I was running cheap ammo that had bad primers or when I was topping off my preban magazines. Downloaded them by 3 and switched to quality ammo and never experienced any issues. That could happen with any semi-auto gun.

Being in California, and not wanting to do SSE when I didn't have to I have yet to get a chance to own a Gen 4. I know there have been some initial roll out issues with them. Many if not most of which have been solved to my understanding. But not having first hand experience I can't really go there. Much like with the other guns mentioned here, I was giving Glock time to iron out the bugs before I spent money. Plus I just didn't need to. My Gen 2 17 and Gen 3 26 keep me pretty happy come range time. I was less impressed (but still pleased) with my 19 and 27 (actually owned a couple of each over the years) so they got sold off when I needed to raise cash for other projects.

I do know here in California, Gen 3s are plentiful. I've owned many, run them extremely hard, and could not be more pleased. That's not blind allegiance, that's being very happy with proven results. The only complaints about Glocks that seemed even remotely valid to me applied to the Gen 4 roll out quirks.

I've tried many, many other brands and flavors of guns. Other than 1911s, none have impressed me for long. Believe me, I wish they had. I hate wasting money.

I have to say, it is bummer to hear you say that about the Sig P320 and the FN FNS. I had high hopes. I'll still reserve my judgement for a bit. They are still new to the market and the manufacturers might be able to iron out the quirks.

Whenever something is brand new, and radically different from a previous design, there are usually some issues that need to be ironed out. It's normal. Hopefully they will be able to do so before the model develops a bad reputation.

[brooTool]

Figures...pretty much par for the course. People will still be all hot and bothered for them despite any criticism that comes out. Even though the buzz for the S&W SHIELD has cooled down considerably since its release, and even though it has a VERY heavy trigger and long reset, people are still pretty crazy about it due to it being just a little bit slimmer than the Glock 26/27. Frankly, I'd rather have the better trigger.

This is how I have felt about every so called Glock killer to hit the market. They always have improved styling and grips, but rarely do they have an improved action. The triggers are always heavier than the Glocks and the rest is always longer. Those are the two best features of the Glock action, and thus far all the companies trying to knock them out of the first place spot for the striker fired market keep failing to duplicate or improve upon them.

The XD was the first to get huge buzz. But failed to live up to its hype. I recognized the flaws instantly, but a lot of big names bought into the buzz. It actually took about 3 years for people to cool off to it. The M&P still has a lot of buzz behind it, despite having a heavier trigger and longer rest. The PPQ has a nice little niche following, but never took off the way the XD or M&P line did. Actually never got around to playing with one. The SIG 250 crashed and burned due to the DAK trigger not having a reset at all. The list goes on...

So far the only ones to impress me are the SIG 320, which is too chunky for me but otherwise I do like it, and the FN FNS Series which upon first glance had everything I could ask for. But I am giving them time on the market so others find the flaws before I fork over my money. Let others discover the quirks first, just like they did with the XD, M&P, SHIELD, and every other Glock Killer to come along.

These guns are basically Glocks for people who have decided to hate Glocks for one reason or another. They convinced themselves Glocks suck, but if it says HK on the side of it, then suddenly it's cool!

Glock's are decent handguns, I think they are nice, reliable, and an average firearm. I do not think they are the best in any aspect of handguns. They are ugly, they feel terrible, triggers are meh, Plastic parts ehhh, they are overpriced ( the SD9 VE is almost the same exact gun as a glock, the trigger is not as good is the glocks, but it either meets or exceeds a glock, and they only cos $319. Now I know people will say NOOOOO!!! The glock tards; BUT why did glock sue them for making the same exact gun and selling it for the price it should be sold for. LOL)
I would pay 350-400 MAX for any glock other than the competition models which are a lot nicer. They're accuracy is average, recoil is pretty good, mags are cheap, customer service is good. The reason is because there are sooooo many glock fans with inflated ego's that they do not want to change brands or their minds about better firearms. It's like 1911 fans, they think they're guns are indestructible laser beams LOL. When in reality, they are VERY nice heavy and unreliable pistols in combat situations. Anyways, I know I am a HK lover, I DONT DENY it! But I know when a newer gun comes out and surpasses another in almost every aspect that it is in fact a better firearm. XDM are better than glocks, the HK VP9 is better than the glock in pretty much every category. You want to keep shooting glock's and shoot mediocre reliable guns, **** be my guest LOL I could care less. But your missing out on a whole lot of BETTER in other firearms.

As far as the Shield goes for their trigger, it works as intended; just like a scyy or kahr, heavy long trigger pulls so you don't accidentally shoot yourself or kill another because of negligent discharge with no safety. Now, here come the glock tards, WELL BRO! YOU SHOULD KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER YOU NUB JESUS! LEARN HOW TO SHOOT! It cracks me up. People make mistakes and these guns are 100% made for conceal carry, and I know 99% don't have a LTC and have never been in that type of stressful situation. The triggers are fine, that EXACTLY the way they were intended to be made.

As far as hating glock's, I do and I don't. I can't speak for every one but I can see why people hate them; blind unreasonable arrogance from the glock tard community LOL. You keep saying your firearms are the top but they really aren't. You can't argue with a glock fan, it's not even worth trying to; either your wrong or your stupid LOL.

[_TomT_]

I'm OK with complicated, so long as it works. Time will tell.

I have yet to handle one. My initial concern would be the pull weight, pull length, and reset length. Being a striker fired gun I assume the pull weight will always be the same.

This is the main area where I have found other striker fired guns to be lacking.

Excess trigger movement translates to movement in the hand and pulling yourself off target when firing at full speed.

I've actually had bad luck with the HK I owned. You would expect that for the money they would be outstanding in every way. But the USP I owned had a really crappy finish. The first time I holstered it the finish wore completely off in multiple spots. And the holster was not rough or too snug either. Really surprising how crappy that finish was...and it only got worse from there. So I highly doubt this gun will ever make it into my collection after that lousy experience.

That said, if when I handle one it knocks my socks off, and if over time it fairs pretty well...then maybe. Never say never!

The travel for the VP9 is actually very short especially when compared to other guns. The PPQ on the other hand has a very long overtravel which might be a good or bad thing. I got my VP9 online but when I was doing the DROS I saw a PPQ M2 and dry fired them both side by side, the PPQ has a much longer overtravel but has a nice shorter reset than the VP9. The PPQ's trigger also feels like there is a lot more going on behind the scenes with with some rough parts in that long travel.

The VP9 won't "knock your socks off" especially if you are coming from a SA or even DA/SA, I love my USP's trigger more than my VP9 and people say it has a terrible trigger which I tend to disagree with. I loved my dad's Gold Cup's trigger the most and generally I just love holding the gun but I shoot it the least because 1911s are finicky when it comes to bushings and springs. Also its a family heirloom and I don't want to put anymore idiot marks on it.

[static2126]

SIG P320: Sold it after 2 range sessions? Got a list of dislikes? Save me some money down the road. Tell me/us why it fell short.

Walther PPA and HK VP9: Like them better than a Glock? That them there are fightin' words! LOL! It would take a heck of a lot for me to say that. But ya never know. Anything is possible.

For myself it's a couple sets of criteria (after reliability) of course.

1) Accuracy. Any full sized pistol has to be able to make headshots at 25 with slow aimed fire (standing off hand). That means 50 rounds, no outside of the head fliers. Granted any modern day pistol can do this, but for this one gun to shooter fit matters.

I can do this with my glock19, ppq, or VP9. Find it easiest with the PPQ personally. The G19 is the first gun I got good enough with to do it consistently with, so it will always have a special place. Obviously this drill is a lot easier with an Accushadow or a P210..ha

2) The little button sized shootnsees (set up 10 of them on a target at 10 yards), 3 rounds each. If I hit 6 out of 10 within 3 shots each, I'm happy. I'm better at this with a G19 vs a Vp9, though I expect that to change as I have many more rounds through the G19.

3) Times splits for some drills (bill drill, if availiable the defoor tests, etc)

I'm best at all of the above drills (except noted above) with a PPQ, then a VP9, then my G19's despite having the most trigger time on a G19. I'm very interested in shooting my Shield on the above drills and seeing how it fares. My first 35 rounds with it exceeded my expectations (pic is in attachment form in XD vs Shield thread)

I have a buddy who's an very mediocre shooter, he is significantly better with a PPQ than anything else he owns, that trigger is almost like cheating at times).

I have personally owned Gen 4 G19's that made me diversify from Glock. Will always keep my Gen 2 and Gen 3 G19 however