GLOCK trigger learning curve

[CGK60]

I've owned a glock 30, 30sf and have a 1911.For me it took some time to get use to the glock trigger. A glock will never be a 1911 trigger, do alot of dry firing.

[chaseface]

Dude you have an almost $1500 Kimber Raptor (MSRP for my stainless Raptor was $1509 I realize the blue is a little cheaper) Vs. a Glock. Enough Said. I also have the Raptor and it has the best trigger out of any pistol I have ever owned hands down. There is almost no creep. Its as smooth as a hot knife through butter. My buddies all have glocks and the creep is significant in all of their pistols. If you want to get as good with the glock it takes longer because you have to get used to that trigger pull. I'm not going to argue that you can not get as good with a Glock, but the Kimber Raptor is a match grade, super nice gun. That's all there is to it.

[esartori]

I agree w above. I have a 1911 and when compared to glocks, it takes a bit more presence of mind to get a clean trigger pull. Just work on a slow controlled trigger pull and it should clean up. Also take the above advice about letting the trigger go only to the reset after your first shot

[USMC 82-86]

FIRST AND FOREMOST...this is not a 1911 versus a Glock thread, i am just simply reporting my observations and i have a few questions to ask
(which i didnt want to ask on another GLOCK forum for the obvious reason)

so ive noticed and im sure a lot of OTHER shooters have noticed and read and learned that for some odd reason, the GLOCK trigger/pistol needs some kind of learning curve to get good semi accurate and consistent shots

on top of that most glock fanboys always says you need more training! as in what kind of training? i owned only 1 1911, and ive owned it after ive shot and owned my 1st glock, but yet i am probably 5x more accurate with it than my glock30sf, not only accuracy but it also seems like i am more consistent with my 1911 as well

i own both so i have a fair comparison and both are chambered in .45acp

so what say you, other than reading all the glockfaq.com techniques (which by the way is centered for right hand shooters and i am left handed) and dry fire practice, what else can i do to at least match the accuracy and consistency as my 1911?

i was thinking of installing the new 4.5- trigger bar, but some "experts" frown upon that because supposedly when used as a SD/HD weapon, one can get their gun scrutinize and lead to more legal fees or worse yet a bad reversal of roles against a BG and get convicted (far stretch i know, but why risk it) those are the same "experts" that always says if you cant get consistent and accurate with your glock you need more training, but why? and what kind of training? when i can just grab my 1911 and put a hole in a hole with in 10yards LOL



thanks for reading my rant

There are a few obvious things that differ between the two guns. The 1911 has about 1" more barrel length, it has more mass to help with recoil, and a trigger that is hard to beat in most semi handguns.

I find that I shoot the 1911 very accurate especially after shooting my Glock. I find the trigger very manageable on my G19 and I just left the range about 2 hours ago and put 50 rounds in a hole that was just over 2.25" at 7 yards. I can do very close to that at 15 yards again that is with 50 rounds.


Now if I shoot 5 round groups with the 1911 and G19 at 10 yards both guns are very close in accuracy. When I move to 20 yards my 1911 is better but not by a wide margin. Again my 1911 is a 5" barrel vs my G19 4" barrel.

I know that not all guns will fit every shooter, we all have a gun that is a natural fit for us in terms of feel, accuracy, and confidence with that gun in our hand. Maybe it is a combination of not being a perfect fit for you and needing some work on the basics. The trigger control becomes more critical at distance as well as the sight radius. I would say if the accuracy difference occurs past 10 yards it may be a combination of the things I mentioned.

[KandyRedCoi]

i do and have been using the trigger reset technique its one of the best things to help aid my shooting

i think at the end of the day it might be a combination of fit, trigger time and of course style of pistol

i understand that one can get as good with a glock but to some it just takes a bit more time and presence of mind to get it right

time to apply the things i learned from the videos posted thanks again everyone

[Jason762]

what distance you were shooting that from?

25 yards

Is it a prize winning group? No. But the fact that you can't tell which shots belong to the 1911 or which belong to the Glock - so it correlates what I said about my 1911 "skills" transferring to the Glock without a "learning curve".

[evidens83]

I too shoot 10x better with my 1911 than with my G19. IMHO the 1911 trigger is the smoothest out-of-the-box trigger out there. Another factor I believe in my accuracy is steel vs polymer frames. The heavier gun aids in recoil thus aids in accuracy. I continue to take my G19 to each range session to put in practice. Just hoping one day I can get it Practice makes perfect.

[KandyRedCoi]

^thats exactly what i do

[Ieyasu]

Is that slow or rapid-fire shooting in the pics?

[CK_32]

Wow I think we all had a brain fart. The reason your groupings are "better" as you say is because with your 1911 your sight picture is around 8" long. While on your glock 30 your sight radius is only 5.95.....


That makes all the difference in the world. Its not about your technique its about how much more sight real-estate they vary. The slightest move will throw your shot way off with the glock 30 rather than the 1911. Its like comparing apples to oranges because the 1911 has such a better site radius than your glock.


It probably has nothing to do with the trigger or technique. I feel like an idiot for not realizing this.... I'm still surprised no one else caught this..

[Ieyasu]

Its not about your technique its about how much more sight real-estate they vary. The slightest move will throw your shot way off with the glock 30 rather than the 1911. Its like comparing apples to oranges because the 1911 has such a better site radius than your glock.


It probably has nothing to do with the trigger or technique. I feel like an idiot for not realizing this.... I'm still surprised no one else caught this..

Generally speaking, the differences you mention are correct, however I disagree, in this case, that it has nothing to do with technique. At 5-yards his shot pattern is too widely dispersed (assuming slow-fire). Many shots are low, which could very well indicate he is fighting recoil.

I'd also guess he blinks more often than not when shooting. If he learns to maintain his sight-picture, he will learn to call his shots and diagnose his problems accurately and quickly. (I'm still trying to learn that.)

[KandyRedCoi]

Is that slow or rapid-fire shooting in the pics?

if you are asking about my shots, they are slow fire with occasional double taps

[CK_32]

Generally speaking, the differences you mention are correct, however I disagree, in this case, that it has nothing to do with technique. At 5-yards his shot pattern is too widely dispersed (assuming slow-fire). Many shots are low, which could very well indicate he is fighting recoil.

I'd also guess he blinks more often than not when shooting. If he learns to maintain his sight-picture, he will learn to call his shots and diagnose his problems accurately and quickly. (I'm still trying to learn that.)

yea but short radius and slight flinch could equal a huge flinch with a long radius. The short sight length almost doubles the movement of the muzzle of a full size.

[Ieyasu]

Sure there's a difference, but working on his techinque will definitely improve his shooting. He's clearly not shooting at the limits of the gun.

[KandyRedCoi]

^if u look at the targets the shots are indeed lower with the glock but the 1911 its on point pretty much