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  • #46
    tacticalcity
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Aug 2006
    • 10916

    The heavier and longer the pull the more time it usually takes to master it. The Glock does have about twice the pull of the 1911. Little things like taking advantage of the short trigger reset does help. And it is considerably easier to master than DA/SA handguns.

    The 1911 has a considerably lighter trigger. But it also has a thumb safety. So when all things are equal in the dead of the night and you have to draw from a holster and put 2 or more rounds center mass into a mugger a few feet away before he cuts your throat the two guns are even with regards to speed and shot placement. It is in that enviorment in which a Glock thrives.

    On a shooting range, sitting or standing at a bench, the Glock is not really in its element and it is really easy to stack the deck in the 1911's favor. For one thing, you can take your time. So the time needed to flip off the 1911's thumb safety becomes entirely irrellevant. Not to mention you can take forever and day between your shots. So if you are struggling with the recoil of the 45ACP most 1911s come in, you might not even know it because you don't have the time pressure you would in real life. You are also not drawing from a holster from under concealment. So the two scenerios are radically different.

    However, if you force the shooter to use the 1911 thumb safety inbetween every 2-3 shots and only give the shooter a two seconds or less to make thoses shots before the target turns away, and have the shooter work from a holster under concealment and suddently things between the two guns begin to even out. With the Glock you pull and shoot. With the 1911 you would be surprised how often people who think they are totally used to that weapon system struggle to get the safety off, and even back on, when they need to. The speed at which things are happening throws them. With time they improve. My point is, most people who think they know what they are doing, don't know as much as they think they do.

    If you think the Glock is harder for you to master than a 1911, you would REALLY struggle with a DA/SA trigger which adds the further complexity of a VERY heavy first pull followed buy a lighter pull. But again, if you are just plinking on the range you can stack things in the DA/SAs favor buy cheating and cocking the hammer so you skip the DA pull. Something you can't do in a gunfight because you won't have time. Just like you can cheat on your 1911's safety in a gunfight but you can on a range.

    I am not trying to make the 1911's thumb safety sound like an impossible to overcome challenge. I am simply saying it is equal to the challenge of mastering the Glocks medium pull weight. No more, no less.

    So why do you like your 1911 so much better? Why do you do better with it? Probably because it is what you know. It is what you are used to. It has probably become muscle memory. New things, no matter how small, require you to re-train your muscle memory. Doing that is a lot tougher than we like to think.

    As for your training question, the same things you do to master a 1911 trigger you do with a Glock. Trigger control drills are trigger control drills. Trigger reset is trigger reset (though different distances on different guns). Dry fire is dry fire. Taking a basic defensive pistol course, or two, or three, or more is a great way to master any system. 1911, Glock, Sig, or otherwise.
    Last edited by tacticalcity; 06-23-2011, 1:46 PM.

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    • #47
      KandyRedCoi
      Senior Member
      • May 2011
      • 1748

      yup thats why i have the G on the night stand its technically the battle weapon

      i guess in that situation u can chalk one up for the plastigun

      still i dont see why a def weapon should suffer from accuracy as opposed to a gun that was designed engineered and built 100years ago
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      • #48
        Oldnoob
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        • Apr 2008
        • 2829

        It's so simple even a caveman can do it.
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        • #49
          tacticalcity
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          • Aug 2006
          • 10916

          Free Online Videos Covering Mastering The Glock, 1911, and Other Weapon Systems

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          Click on categories, the on Glock Basic Training. Lots of videos there.
          Last edited by tacticalcity; 06-23-2011, 2:05 PM.

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          • #50
            tacticalcity
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Aug 2006
            • 10916

            Originally posted by KandyRedCoi
            yup thats why i have the G on the night stand its technically the battle weapon

            i guess in that situation u can chalk one up for the plastigun

            still i dont see why a def weapon should suffer from accuracy as opposed to a gun that was designed engineered and built 100years ago
            The medium pull weight is what you are probably having trouble adjusting to. That medium weight is medium for a reason. The gun doesn't have a thumb safety. If it had a light pull there would be increased risk of an ND.

            So it becomes an argument of which is better. Medium pull weight without a thumb safety or thumb safety with a light pull weight.

            It is not that one gun is more accurate than another. It is that you and your muscle memory are trained to one and not the other.

            Since I am used to the Glock, I am actually faster and more accurate with it. I am sure once I have the proper muscle memory down for the 1911 they will even out.

            See the videos in the above post. Very helpful.

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            • #51
              caoboy
              Senior Member
              • May 2009
              • 2400



              No joke, I watched this video, learned to properly grip a handgun, and for the most part, it applies to both of my pistols, neither are 1911's.

              Ruger 22/45 mk3
              Glock30

              I shoot them the same. I have no problem adjusting from one to the other. I picked up a 19, 26, 23, and shot them all the same, didn't have any problems "adjusting" to the gun, because I don't need to adjust any grip, I trained myself to pick up the gun and have the same grip/hold on the gun every time. Trigger doesn't seem like an issue either, because if you are holding the gun the same every time, your finger should be in the same spot on the trigger every time.
              Last edited by caoboy; 06-23-2011, 2:18 PM.

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              • #52
                Foriegn power
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                • Dec 2009
                • 1035

                I think the thing with Glock from what I've learned is after the first shot do not let the trigger fully reset only enough then fire again. I'm sure you'll get better with that mind set. I think it's all in trigger control, the dang gun will shoot straight but will be holding it steady while moving the trigger I think that is the main factor. Another is comforts whatever gun you feel is more comfortable in the hand.

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                • #53
                  KandyRedCoi
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2011
                  • 1748

                  Originally posted by tacticalcity
                  The medium pull weight is what you are probably having trouble adjusting to. That medium weight is medium for a reason. The gun doesn't have a thumb safety. If it had a light pull there would be increased risk of an ND.

                  So it becomes an argument of which is better. Medium pull weight without a thumb safety or thumb safety with a light pull weight.

                  It is not that one gun is more accurate than another. It is that you and your muscle memory are trained to one and not the other.

                  Since I am used to the Glock, I am actually faster and more accurate with it. I am sure once I have the proper muscle memory down for the 1911 they will even out.

                  See the videos in the above post. Very helpful.
                  thanks i will def do that

                  Originally posted by caoboy


                  No joke, I watched this video, learned to properly grip a handgun, and for the most part, it applies to both of my pistols, neither are 1911's.

                  Ruger 22/45 mk3
                  Glock30

                  I shoot them the same. I have no problem adjusting from one to the other. I picked up a 19, 26, 23, and shot them all the same, didn't have any problems "adjusting" to the gun, because I don't need to adjust any grip, I trained myself to pick up the gun and have the same grip/hold on the gun every time. Trigger doesn't seem like an issue either, because if you are holding the gun the same every time, your finger should be in the same spot on the trigger every time.
                  well i tried holding the gun the same way and it doesnt work, grip sizes are different, indexing is different, maybe my hands are smaller than the average man...but it just doesnt work

                  Originally posted by drider
                  I think the thing with Glock from what I've learned is after the first shot do not let the trigger fully reset only enough then fire again. I'm sure you'll get better with that mind set. I think it's all in trigger control, the dang gun will shoot straight but will be holding it steady while moving the trigger I think that is the main factor. Another is comforts whatever gun you feel is more comfortable in the hand.
                  i def comfort is a big factor

                  but let me get something straight, maybe i implied that im a sorry ***** glock shooter, which i am not saying

                  all i was saying is that it seems like more effort and practice is needed to get the glock to perform like my 1911, hence the learning curve, like i also said earlier YMMV

                  my glock 30sf at 15ft


                  my kimber raptor 2 at 15ft


                  not my latest outing but its recent

                  it just takes more "mind" power to get the glock to do what the 1911 does so easily...

                  and let me make it clear, i love both glock and 1911, i think at the end of this all i chose the wrong glock as the 30 even in SF might be a tad too big for my hands...i will shoot the 17 and report back
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                  • #54
                    Cyc Wid It
                    Veteran Member
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 4485

                    Originally posted by KandyRedCoi
                    yup thats why i have the G on the night stand its technically the battle weapon

                    i guess in that situation u can chalk one up for the plastigun
                    1911 has been carried and used in way more conflicts than a Glock. It still remains used today. If you can't train to disengage a safety, then you probably have no business using a gun.
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                    • #55
                      KandyRedCoi
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2011
                      • 1748

                      ^wait was that directed at me, i been typing to say i have been more proficient with a 1911, cmon man...whats with the no business with a gun thing, the glock guys came in here and offered advice and tip, dont come in here with that yadda yadda...
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                      • #56
                        STAGE 2
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 5907

                        Originally posted by KandyRedCoi
                        i was thinking of installing the new 4.5- trigger bar, but some "experts" frown upon that because supposedly when used as a SD/HD weapon, one can get their gun scrutinize and lead to more legal fees or worse yet a bad reversal of roles against a BG and get convicted (far stretch i know, but why risk it) those are the same "experts" that always says if you cant get consistent and accurate with your glock you need more training, but why?
                        The "experts" repeat this stuff because it sells gun magazines, nothing more. It sounds ominous in gun rags, but when asked for supporting evidence, you get crickets. Bottom line, the status of your firearm doesn't got to any element of any shooting related crime.
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                        • #57
                          Foriegn power
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 1035

                          okay you say; "more effort and practice is needed to get the glock to perform like my 1911," I guess the only thing I can think of is personal preference and the 1911 weighs alot more so this go back to balance and feel. Weight in the right places make things stable and on target.

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                          • #58
                            wu_dot_com
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 1362

                            Originally posted by Jason762
                            My first pistol, purchased back in 2008, was a Colt 1911 XS (the model before the XSE). It was the only pistol I shot, and I learned to shoot it well.

                            My 2nd pistol, purchased 2 weeks ago and picked up just yesterday at 11:00 AM, was a Glock 17.

                            Went shooting the same day, 3 PM at Richmond. Here are the results:


                            16 shots are from the 1911, the rest out of the Glock.

                            Learning curve? What learning curve?

                            P.S. I am also a lefty.
                            what distance you were shooting that from?

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                            • #59
                              wu_dot_com
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 1362

                              Originally posted by KandyRedCoi
                              thanks i will def do that


                              well i tried holding the gun the same way and it doesnt work, grip sizes are different, indexing is different, maybe my hands are smaller than the average man...but it just doesnt work


                              i def comfort is a big factor

                              but let me get something straight, maybe i implied that im a sorry ***** glock shooter, which i am not saying

                              all i was saying is that it seems like more effort and practice is needed to get the glock to perform like my 1911, hence the learning curve, like i also said earlier YMMV

                              my glock 30sf at 15ft


                              my kimber raptor 2 at 15ft


                              not my latest outing but its recent

                              it just takes more "mind" power to get the glock to do what the 1911 does so easily...

                              and let me make it clear, i love both glock and 1911, i think at the end of this all i chose the wrong glock as the 30 even in SF might be a tad too big for my hands...i will shoot the 17 and report back
                              now looking at it, it think it could be the sights.

                              your raptor have novak while the glock have the std sight. two different sight picture.

                              the glock sight is easier to get fast target acquisition but its harder to lineup the front and back sight ratio for target shooting. while the traditional 3 dot is easier to do so.

                              i think if you shoot your glock enough and get more accustom to your glock sight, you might be able to improve your group.

                              BTW, put a trigger stop behind your trigger. it will help you reduce the spread and flyers.
                              Last edited by wu_dot_com; 06-23-2011, 5:44 PM.

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                              • #60
                                Noah3683
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 2256

                                Originally posted by KandyRedCoi
                                my glock 30sf at 15ft


                                my kimber raptor 2 at 15ft


                                not my latest outing but its recent

                                it just takes more "mind" power to get the glock to do what the 1911 does so easily...

                                and let me make it clear, i love both glock and 1911, i think at the end of this all i chose the wrong glock as the 30 even in SF might be a tad too big for my hands...i will shoot the 17 and report back
                                I see a dead BG and that's all that really matters in the end There are lots of variables that can affect your accuracy and all of them have already been mentioned. I actually shoot the G30SF better than any other Glock. I absolutely love it, but it may not fit you as well as a full size or even a 19/23.
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