GLOCK trigger learning curve

[KandyRedCoi]

FIRST AND FOREMOST...this is not a 1911 versus a Glock thread, i am just simply reporting my observations and i have a few questions to ask
(which i didnt want to ask on another GLOCK forum for the obvious reason)

so ive noticed and im sure a lot of OTHER shooters have noticed and read and learned that for some odd reason, the GLOCK trigger/pistol needs some kind of learning curve to get good semi accurate and consistent shots

on top of that most glock fanboys always says you need more training! as in what kind of training? i owned only 1 1911, and ive owned it after ive shot and owned my 1st glock, but yet i am probably 5x more accurate with it than my glock30sf, not only accuracy but it also seems like i am more consistent with my 1911 as well

i own both so i have a fair comparison and both are chambered in .45acp

so what say you, other than reading all the glockfaq.com techniques (which by the way is centered for right hand shooters and i am left handed) and dry fire practice, what else can i do to at least match the accuracy and consistency as my 1911?

i was thinking of installing the new 4.5- trigger bar, but some "experts" frown upon that because supposedly when used as a SD/HD weapon, one can get their gun scrutinize and lead to more legal fees or worse yet a bad reversal of roles against a BG and get convicted (far stretch i know, but why risk it) those are the same "experts" that always says if you cant get consistent and accurate with your glock you need more training, but why? and what kind of training? when i can just grab my 1911 and put a hole in a hole with in 10yards LOL



thanks for reading my rant

[rabagley]

Never had trigger issues with any of my glocks, but then I learned to shoot on a G17 and only recently came across a 1911 I wanted to own. I've since learned the error of my ways, and now own a few.

I wouldn't carry my Colt 1911 for SD/HD just because it's a much more valuable gun than the G36, G21SF, or the S&W 642. It's actually worth almost as much as all three put together. I'll keep the mechanical work of art for my kids and carry the less expensive incredibly, reliable guns every day and twice on Sunday.

But if you do happen to have trigger issues with your Glocks? Practice more. I don't mean to be a dick about it, but it's simply building the muscle memory so that your brain and musculature is used to both grip angles.

[KandyRedCoi]

its obvious i need more practice, LOL, no offense taken. but thats just my point, how come the glock needs "more" practice as opposed to a 1911?

and if so what kind of practice, i dryfire the crap out my gun until my hands and fore arms hurt but for some odd reason it doesnt feel the same as actually shooting the gun with live ammo...

[Common]

I don't shoot 1911's but I do shoot a CZ 75. I also shoot a glock 17. I take them both to the range twice a month (which is getting expensive, but ammo brothers is helping with cheaper ammo than wally's) shameless plug of my favorite store locally.

anyway I have found that the triggers are not that hard to get used to. I tend to shoot 250 rounds of .22 for a warmup to get my technique back into the front of my brain. I then switch off shooting 100 rounds each until the boxes are empty. I have found that my entire shooting system is different with the glock. I shoot modified weaver due to an injury that maked isocoles painful.

When shooting the glock I seem to lean into it more and bring my head down to the gun, when shooting the cz I am more erect and not as far forward.

Staging the trigger is always a temptation with the cz, not with the glock.

in the end practice practice practice makes a better shooter not forum advice.

Top Shot was lame, nutnfancy kicks ***, I am a fanboi. Americans can't make guns. I am a communist who supports gun rights. Kommifornia makes no sense.

[KandyRedCoi]

again, i understand i need more practice but why when i can shoot a 1911 just as easily and accurately and more consistently...im just sayin, how come glocks have that learning curve? is that something to accept because millions have used it and got competent with it? is there a slight/minute flaw in their design that makes it a bit difficult for someone new into shooting to develop their shots?
so it doesnt turn into a 1911 vs glock thread, i will also test an xD and M&P next time i hit the range and report back

[locosway]

A Glock doesn't have a learning curve. If you want to be accurate, it has the same learning curve as any handgun. However, if you're talking about the trigger reset, then yes, you may want/need to learn it to become more accurate quicker. If you're just standing there doing 10 seconds between shots, then it won't really matter. If you're trying to put lead accurately on target as fast as possible, then the reset is a necessity.

Also, a lot of 1911's are fairly more accurate than a Glock. This is just their design, and the Glock was never meant to be a target pistol. The Glock is a military/LE pistol that was designed with reliability, cost, and parts interchangeability. The 1911 is more of a tuned machine. The trigger on the 1911 is far better than a Glock, and just because of this you will be more accurate with a 1911.

[Cyc Wid It]

The design of a 1911 trigger is by design and default, better than that on a Glock.

[KandyRedCoi]

A Glock doesn't have a learning curve. If you want to be accurate, it has the same learning curve as any handgun. However, if you're talking about the trigger reset, then yes, you may want/need to learn it to become more accurate quicker. If you're just standing there doing 10 seconds between shots, then it won't really matter. If you're trying to put lead accurately on target as fast as possible, then the reset is a necessity.

Also, a lot of 1911's are fairly more accurate than a Glock. This is just their design, and the Glock was never meant to be a target pistol. The Glock is a military/LE pistol that was designed with reliability, cost, and parts interchangeability. The 1911 is more of a tuned machine. The trigger on the 1911 is far better than a Glock, and just because of this you will be more accurate with a 1911.

well actually its not. as i mentioned, i shoot my "newer" to me 1911 much better than i do my glock, how can it have the same learning curve?
so what is an acceptable "accuracy" out of a glock @ 15yds or less, for a regular shooter using it more of a HD/SD weapon as opposed to target/precision shooting?

The design of a 1911 trigger is by design and default, better than that on a Glock.

so for me, if i were to "upgrade" the trigger on my glock would expect to see tighter groups and quicker more consistent follow up shots there after?


and maybe for GLOCKS sake i will try to also shoot a G17 g3 and see what kind of results i get, maybe the slightly larger grip of the 30sf might contribute to my shortcomings (so to speak)

[nimbus]

I can shoot a glock 21 and a 1911 and get the same groupings. I've had plenty of trigger time on the 1911 and picked up the nuances of the g21 in about a mag's worth of rounds. IMO any good shooter can shoot any gun well.

Try the lighter connector on your glock and see if it works out for your shooting style. They are pretty cheap and easy to install.

[Cyc Wid It]

The best tuned Glock trigger is never going to be the same as a well tuned 1911 trigger. Due to the design differences, it's not physically possible. Many top competitive shooters shoot Glocks, but they have trained to shoot them. If you're primarily trained on the 1911 platform, you will have to train to get used to the Glock trigger. There's no way to replicate the 1911 trigger feel on a Glock. As others have said, many people shoot both platforms well.

[Oceanbob]

I started with the 1911 .45 and still own 9 of them. I also own 15 Glocks. (first one back in 1987)

I can shoot both equally well because shooting any weapon is a matter of Technique and a Mastery of Marksmanship.

I can also shoot my wheel guns, Beretta's, various .22 pistols and other odd handguns I own without any significant differences.

My GLOCK 30 is extremely accurate. On most of my GLOCKS I do install the 4.5 trigger because I like it. Ignore those myths about self defense with a modified weapon. It's either a 'good' shooting or it isn't. This is FUD that never seems to go away on various Gun Websites.

I would advise installing the lighter connector, a .25 cent trigger job and perhaps some better sites that your eyes click with. (?)

Both platforms are excellent in my opinion.

Be well

Bob

[NapaCountyShooter]

In all fairness, you're comparing a 5 inch barrel on the 1911 with a 3.8 inch barrel on the G30. The 5 inch barrel should be a little more accurate.

It took me 100 rounds to get the gist of the stock 5.5 lb. trigger on my G19. Once I did, I shot really well. It's not that sweet single action break of a good 1911, but it's pretty serviceable.

[HighLander51]

After you pull the trigger about 50,000 times it will seem normal. Then the next time you run a 1911, it will be a surprise. Glocks aren't 1911s, they are Glocks.

[xxINKxx]

IDE say follow the do it yourself glock trigger jobs posted on the forum. 1 of them is basically free to do and it's just a polish job on all the internal trigger parts. Basically it just makes things real smooth feeling. That and just spend time punching holes in paper targets to try different shooting techniques and see what works for you will help the most.

I don't care for dry fire practice. I did that every night for months. When I first got my glock I did it, the gun stayed solid, didn't flinch or anything. Did the quarter on the slide practice while dry firing and that went well. But once I used live ammo all that dry fire practice didn't do crap lol. Completely 2 different worlds when being a living room shooter vs real world w/live ammo. Only thing that helps is just practice at the range

I sucked at shooting my glock for years. Constantly shoot low and left. I did lots of research and found that low and left was a common thing with glock shooters. It all came down to needing a better grip and trigger finger position. I changed it up and practiced and I got way better

[9mmepiphany]

Just looking at your pictures, the first thing that comes to mine is that besides the platforms, you are comparing different size categories of guns. That isn't to say that that smaller gun can't be as accurate...I shoot the G30 and the G19 very accurately...it just isn't as accurate for your technique.

Reading the OP, my first thought was the fit of the frame to how you grip. The Glock is usually wider and sits differently in the pocket of your hand...also it indexes differently.

so ive noticed and im sure a lot of OTHER shooters have noticed and read and learned that for some odd reason, the GLOCK trigger/pistol needs some kind of learning curve to get good semi accurate and consistent shots

It is the same learning curve between different platforms. Many folks go through the same learning curve going to the 1911 when first going to it from a DA/SA platform...especially from a H&K or Walther. The 1911 trigger helps newer shooters cover many of their technique errors with it's shorter travel, but you reach your performance ceiling sooner. The Glock's rolling release helps trigger management as it distracts from the tendency to snatch at the "perfect sight picture".

always says you need more training! as in what kind of training?

and if so what kind of practice, i dryfire the crap out my gun until my hands and fore arms hurt but for some odd reason it doesnt feel the same as actually shooting the gun with live ammo...

I know people always say practice and they never seem to say what kind...I'm not sure why.

What you need to work on are the Fundamentals...stance, grip, sight alignment and trigger management. I'd highly recommend getting instruction on proper technique to understand what doing it correctly feels like. Then you'll know what it should feel like when you practice...otherwise you're just ingraining incorrect techniques.

There is a direct benefit between dryfire and live fire. They should feel exactly the same up to the point of the explosion of the shot out the muzzle, after that grip and stance take over to bring the gun back on target. If you aren't seeing the results, it is very possible that you aren't doing it correctly. There are different styles and goals to dryfire practice...it depends where you are in your learning