GLOCK trigger learning curve

[KandyRedCoi]

I started with the 1911 .45 and still own 9 of them. I also own 15 Glocks. (first one back in 1987)

I can shoot both equally well because shooting any weapon is a matter of Technique and a Mastery of Marksmanship.

I can also shoot my wheel guns, Beretta's, various .22 pistols and other odd handguns I own without any significant differences.

My GLOCK 30 is extremely accurate. On most of my GLOCKS I do install the 4.5 trigger because I like it. Ignore those myths about self defense with a modified weapon. It's either a 'good' shooting or it isn't. This is FUD that never seems to go away on various Gun Websites.

I would advise installing the lighter connector, a .25 cent trigger job and perhaps some better sites that your eyes click with. (?)

Both platforms are excellent in my opinion.

Be well

Bob

i actually thought about doing the sights and the trigger connector, i just didnt want to "fix" a gun that might not work for me, and yes i also thought that all the self defensive scrutiny was FUD as well, i just dont want to find out first hand

In all fairness, you're comparing a 5 inch barrel on the 1911 with a 3.8 inch barrel on the G30. The 5 inch barrel should be a little more accurate.

It took me 100 rounds to get the gist of the stock 5.5 lb. trigger on my G19. Once I did, I shot really well. It's not that sweet single action break of a good 1911, but it's pretty serviceable.

i was comparing more of the platform and how it fits me, which is whats probably affecting my shots

After you pull the trigger about 50,000 times it will seem normal. Then the next time you run a 1911, it will be a surprise. Glocks aren't 1911s, they are Glocks.

well yea, like i said its just weird how i can shoot the 1911 better than the Glock with less trigger time, thats what i was considering the learning curve

IDE say follow the do it yourself glock trigger jobs posted on the forum. 1 of them is basically free to do and it's just a polish job on all the internal trigger parts. Basically it just makes things real smooth feeling. That and just spend time punching holes in paper targets to try different shooting techniques and see what works for you will help the most.

I don't care for dry fire practice. I did that every night for months. When I first got my glock I did it, the gun stayed solid, didn't flinch or anything. Did the quarter on the slide practice while dry firing and that went well. But once I used live ammo all that dry fire practice didn't do crap lol. Completely 2 different worlds when being a living room shooter vs real world w/live ammo. Only thing that helps is just practice at the range

I sucked at shooting my glock for years. Constantly shoot low and left. I did lots of research and found that low and left was a common thing with glock shooters. It all came down to needing a better grip and trigger finger position. I changed it up and practiced and I got way better

yea i have the .25 trigger job done, i also heard the 30sf needs a new trigger bar since i have the old -1, i believe i need the -1- trigger bar, but its out of stock almost everywhere, i will call glock and see what they can do to help

Just looking at your pictures, the first thing that comes to mine is that besides the platforms, you are comparing different size categories of guns. That isn't to say that that smaller gun can't be as accurate...I shoot the G30 and the G19 very accurately...it just isn't as accurate for your technique.

Reading the OP, my first thought was the fit of the frame to how you grip. The Glock is usually wider and sits differently in the pocket of your hand...also it indexes differently.


It is the same learning curve between different platforms. Many folks go through the same learning curve going to the 1911 when first going to it from a DA/SA platform...especially from a H&K or Walther. The 1911 trigger helps newer shooters cover many of their technique errors with it's shorter travel, but you reach your performance ceiling sooner. The Glock's rolling release helps trigger management as it distracts from the tendency to snatch at the "perfect sight picture".



I know people always say practice and they never seem to say what kind...I'm not sure why.

What you need to work on are the Fundamentals...stance, grip, sight alignment and trigger management. I'd highly recommend getting instruction on proper technique to understand what doing it correctly feels like. Then you'll know what it should feel like when you practice...otherwise you're just ingraining incorrect techniques.

There is a direct benefit between dryfire and live fire. They should feel exactly the same up to the point of the explosion of the shot out the muzzle, after that grip and stance take over to bring the gun back on target. If you aren't seeing the results, it is very possible that you aren't doing it correctly. There are different styles and goals to dryfire practice...it depends where you are in your learning

i will shoot a g17 g3 and report back since i have one at my disposal
i think the larger grip on my SF even compared to the 17 might make some difference

i will def have to take proper instruction if i cant solve this issue myself in another 300-500rds

thanks for all the informative responses and not bashing on me, i really appreciate it

[CK_32]

Just my $.02 people don't buy glocks for accuracy. They buy for reliability that's why people "get use to them". If you want to shoot one hole everytime that's why "some" guys buy 1911s because they are made to be a jewel and not a tank. Glocks are bought for being known to be reliable and dependable in any conditions may be true may not be but that's why people buy them. For trust. If you want a competition range gun that's why you got a kimber and that's what they do.

Flocks can be don't say i never said they could but can be accurate but like you noticed you have to get use to it and practice to better your technique to the gun. 1911s are made to be suited to you so you shoot better. That's why they cost so much and take so much work to put in to make a legit 1911. So to answer your question in short the reason your 1911 out shoots your glock for you is because glocks do take getting use to because they are duty guns not competition guns out of the box. They are made to run and not shoot one hole. So the reason the 1911 out shoots your glock is because it's made to. But again it also comes down to the Indian not the arrow. For glocks you learn to shoot them. 1911s are made to shoot for you.

[KandyRedCoi]

like i asked before, what is an acceptable "accuracy" for a glock, that is meant to be a hd/sd pistol at combat distances (15yds or less)

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[Lumpia is sarap!®]

Have you taken advantage of the Glock trigger reset?

[KandyRedCoi]

lumpia is ma sarap for sure LOL

anyway, yes, i do, ive shot glock for 3-4years now, i know and practice some of the tips and tricks and do apply them when i shoot, for some reason i cant get as consistent, and if i can put a 1" group in 5 rounds at 15yards i would be quite happy, but its quite frustrating at times

its not that i cant do it, its just that i cant do it all the time

i wish i took pics of my latest range trip to show you guys

btw, i am a lefty thats cross dominant

[CK_32]

like i asked before, what is an acceptable "accuracy" for a glock, that is meant to be a hd/sd pistol at combat distances (15yds or less)

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If you can hit center mass (inside 2" of the body out line IMO) at 10 to 15 ft is good enough for me. For HD all that matters is your hitting the person you aim at and not your wife behind him.

Acceptable HD acuraccy is what's acceptable for you. Just as long as when it comes down to it you put that threat down and don't take any one out you didn't mean to and hit him someone center body and not scrap the skin. Like I said above is what I think is accurate enough. Everybody is differant and that might not be good enough for some. For me it is because that's about the range and size I feel my threats will be.

[KandyRedCoi]

^gotcha, i guess its frustrating when i can shoot one pistol over another a tad better and dont know how or why? thats why a brought up the "learning curve aspect"

i see a lot of people posting that can adequately shoot their glocks, what happened to the other folks who was on the same boat as me, i thought i was speaking for at least a few shooters here as ive read numerous posts that somewhat relates to this thread. LOL im here left to sink all by myself

[zfields]

Longer trigger pull, different grip angle that doesnt match some people. Thats what you need to become accustomed to. Having that longer pull can cause you to drop the muzzle, or just more around because of the extra force you need to pull it. 1911's (or any gun with a good trigger job really ) take some of that out of the equation.

Good technique can overcome it, but it seems to be a lot harder when you start on a different platform.

[coyotebait]

like i asked before, what is an acceptable "accuracy" for a glock, that is meant to be a hd/sd pistol at combat distances (15yds or less)

???

My first time out with my G30, about 8 years ago(maybe more) I was getting groups just slightly larger than a quarter at about 10 yards. Low to the left (typical) Buddy of mine suggested that it was the positioning of my trigger finger and my grip. I changed it up and moved my group too the center.

[BamBam-31]

1" group at 15 yds. is pretty darn good. If you can do that with any pistol, it's good shooting.

I would say, as per usual, Tang's (9mmepiphany) advice is the one you should heed most. At the distances you're describing, the inherent accuracy of most modern pistols will be very similar. IOW, the group sizes should be fairly close if the shooter variable is taken out of the equation. You just need to figure out the variable part of it.

Difference in trigger may be part of it, but that part can be minimized and even eliminated with proper practice. The pistols are also fairly different dimensionally, making for differences in grip and sight radius. Differences in design and materials as well. Full sized steel gun soaks up recoil better, so less flinch inducing. All of it plays a part in overall accuracy. (The Glock's trigger reset, btw, is more of an asset to rapid shooting, not inherent accuracy.)

What's encouraging is the analytical approach you're taking to figuring out why the 1911 shoots better for you than the G30sf. That road will take you through a thorough and ultimately rewarding dissection of the fundamentals. Good on ya!

[KandyRedCoi]

i think someone *cough cough* needs to make a video on how to PROPERLY grip and shoot a GLOCK
trigger and sight control
etc.

[locosway]

i think someone *cough cough* needs to make a video on how to PROPERLY grip and shoot a GLOCK
trigger and sight control
etc.

Why? It's just like any other gun. Take up slack, front sight, pull trigger. I think what the issue is people are not learning the basics of marksmanship. You can't buy a Glock or a 1911 for that matter and expect to be a good shot. You need to practice the basics, which are the same to all guns.

[J.D.Allen]

You are comparing the Toyota of the handgun world to the Lamborghini of the handgun world.

Apples to oranges IMHO. That's why there's a difference.

[KandyRedCoi]

Why? It's just like any other gun. Take up slack, front sight, pull trigger. I think what the issue is people are not learning the basics of marksmanship. You can't buy a Glock or a 1911 for that matter and expect to be a good shot. You need to practice the basics, which are the same to all guns.

dude have you read the rest of the posts? i can properly shoot a 1911, ive even got pretty good groups with a FN5-7 at 15yds, i think im having difficulty with the glock pistol

and as posted by everyone, there are little bits of differences on how to properly shoot a glock as oppossed to other pistols...if that wasnt the case then how can i shoot one pistol better over another

[KandyRedCoi]

You are comparing the Toyota of the handgun world to the Lamborghini of the handgun world.

Apples to oranges IMHO. That's why there's a difference.

simply put i think u nailed it, but i want my toyota to be almost like my lamborghini