Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread

[kemasa]

1) He is very concerned that changing the barrel "could" be considered manufacturing. I know the conventional wisdom here says it's not, but has there been any court ruling or CADOJ statement that says it's not manufacturing?

Manufacturing is not a CA DOJ issue, it is a BATF issue. Based on what I have been told by the BATF, it is not considered manufacturing as long as you are only replacing parts and that there is no milling or machining involved.

2) It sounds like non-roster guns should be displayed with an L.E. Only tag. If a regular customer inquires about a non-roster gun, can the FFL mention the SSE option, or does the customer have to specifically request doing SSE?

I don't know that there is anything illegal about mentioning the SSE option.

[buster1960]

My LGS has LEO only tags and they wont even let you TOUCH the gun and will tell you that SSE is illegal!! Guns, junk, and other trash, Vacaville.

[LBDamned]

My LGS has LEO only tags and they wont even let you TOUCH the gun and will tell you that SSE is illegal!! Guns, junk, and other trash, Vacaville.

did you ask him what penal code?

Apparently he doesn't understand the definition of the law (as it pertains to a single shot pistol)... or he doesn't understand the law as it pertains to modifying a gun.

Or he just doesn't like the idea of SSE and that it can be done legally... which is fine, and he doesn't have to offer it... but he certainly should not be stating it is illegal (which it is not) - the lack of legal knowledge about firearms would dissuade many potential gun buyers.

[buster1960]

This is the largest gun store in solano county. If you ask them to quote penal code they will just look at you like your stupid and respond "I cant remember all the codes but its illegal". They will also tell you that intrafamilial transfers are illegal and they wont handle them for you. They also only do PPT's when its "convenient" for them. Thats why I shop there to handle the guns and make buying decisions and then order them through someone else.

[velmingrafter]

Thanks for the help guys!

[WA.Ranger]

Buster, I agree with you 100%. I hate that place and lack of customer service.

[ScApE]

Here's a peculiar question: If you find yourself using an SSE weapon in a home defense type situation and happen to fire off a couple of shots, it goes without saying there will be some kind of investigation, so could you get in trouble when upon inspection, your gun is no longer in SSE form?

[Cyc Wid It]

No, a good shoot is a good shoot

[Artema]

Here's a peculiar question: If you find yourself using an SSE weapon in a home defense type situation and happen to fire off a couple of shots, it goes without saying there will be some kind of investigation, so could you get in trouble when upon inspection, your gun is no longer in SSE form?

You may modify your personal weapons as much as you like as long as you don't go outside of legal limits, such as SBR, FA, sawed-off shotgun, etc.

[LBDamned]

Here's a peculiar question: If you find yourself using an SSE weapon in a home defense type situation and happen to fire off a couple of shots, it goes without saying there will be some kind of investigation, so could you get in trouble when upon inspection, your gun is no longer in SSE form?

I have asked the same question in the past and have been assured that no trouble would come...

However, this is CA and what's up is down and down is up... so I'm still leery - as two of my SSE are nothing other than defense guns... but as the saying goes; rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

[anoldguy]

I have also been concerned about the same thing. I had an SSE done on a firearm that WAS on the roster up until late 2009, but then disappeared. I had the SSE performed in early 2011 because I wanted the function and safety features it has. It is one of my carry guns, and if they start prosecuting people for firearms that are not on the roster any longer, there are a ton of us that will be in trouble. But then there's the civil lawsuit aspect that would no doubt come into play as well if a shooting occurs. Nowadays people will sue you because they don't like the color of socks you're wearing. Any legal minds out there that can speak to this based on case law?

[Cyc Wid It]

Can we stop rehashing this?

There's no precedent for any of these hypothetical fairy tale scenarios that people seem so worried about.

[LBDamned]

I have also been concerned about the same thing. I had an SSE done on a firearm that WAS on the roster up until late 2009, but then disappeared. I had the SSE performed in early 2011 because I wanted the function and safety features it has. It is one of my carry guns, and if they start prosecuting people for firearms that are not on the roster any longer, there are a ton of us that will be in trouble. But then there's the civil lawsuit aspect that would no doubt come into play as well if a shooting occurs. Nowadays people will sue you because they don't like the color of socks you're wearing. Any legal minds out there that can speak to this based on case law?

There will likely be a civil lawsuit regardless of what gun is used.

[LBDamned]

Can we stop rehashing this?

There's no precedent for any of these hypothetical fairy tale scenarios that people seem so worried about.

Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't/won't

It always amazes me how confident and sure (about lawsuits over guns) some people seem in this state.

It's not fear mongering - but we would all be fools if there were no concern at all... If you feel otherwise, you have way more faith in this state and it's gun laws than I do. This isn't to say trouble WILL come - but I think its a bit naive to assume it won't.

[Cyc Wid It]

Can we not rehash this again in this thread? We can make the 232342323th thread asking about what ammo to use, what trigger modifications, what sights in a HD situation.