Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread

[EBR Works]

I am sorry, after reading through the thread I do not see a specific dealer that will do a SSE for a CZ SP-01 Shadow. Did I miss a post from someone?

Only place that I can 100% confirm is O.C. Armory in LA. But I am in Sacramento so that is quite a drive to do twice.

Any help?

I apologize in advance if I missed a post on it already.

We'll have universal barrels in a few weeks that will fit any of these calibers:

.380
9mm
.40 S&W
.45ACP

[Cali_Tac]

Yep. 10 months and counting until the apparent end of SSE. Transfers completed by the enactment date (01/01/14) will remain legal. Get them while you can!

So, I called about the wait time on an ar pistol & the reply was 12 to 15 months. So by that time SSE would no longer be applicable? Is that right.

[49erlife]

So what id happening with SSE pistols in 10 months. I looked at the thread here but didnt see any info. Please. Inform me. Thank you Guys.

[49erlife]

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[ke6guj]

So what id happening with SSE pistols in 10 months. I looked at the thread here but didnt see any info. Please. Inform me. Thank you Guys.

current proposals in the legislature might change the rules for SSE. But at this point, nothing has been passed.

[Saym14]

the first 5 rules of SSE 2013

1. tablerock Arms is awesome - if Ryan can get what you need. or you can have it shipped to him
2. EBR is awesome too but is limited to what is in stock.
3. OC armory is also GTG and they say they can SSE ANY gun, if they or you can get it.
4. crystal balls - no one knows what SSE laws or any laws for that metter will be in 10 months.
5. if you want an AR pistol look at the 80 percent lower. haha if you can find an -80 percent.

the lesson theN seems to be "if you can /they can find it. and the moral to the story " you shoulda bought it last year !!!!!

[49erlife]

Do you have a link to the proposals that apply to SSE? I cant find any.

[zrunr]

EBR Works has changed their prices.


Source: http://www.ebrwebstore.com/sse-sales...ler-transfers/

Probably because of:

Source: http://www.ebrwebstore.com/

Why would a possible prohibition on SSE transfers at some future date trigger a 50% price increase? What has changed about the cost of an SSE transfer? Will the failure of this bill to pass trigger a SSE transfer price reduction?

Are there any on 01 FFLs who allow customers to do their own SSE conversions?

[Cyc Wid It]

Speculation: a possible prohibition leads to panic buying, which requires more parts

Regarding your last question, I'm not sure what you mean. If you're asking if a shop will let you convert the gun at their shop with your own parts before you begin DROS, I can't imagine any shop being amenable to that (excluding any legal issues), but who knows.

[zrunr]

I think you are giving the FFL a generous benefit of doubt. My guess is that they are charging more because they are trying to exploit the current wave of panic that some people feel about the future of semi-auto rifles in CA.

The first page discusses a justification for an 01 to allow single shot conversion. Is any 01 following that opinion?

[kemasa]

There is the law of supply and demand, as well as return on investment.

It is funny that people tried to grind the prices down saying that they can get things cheaper elsewhere and that is ok, but if a business raises their prices it is all sorts of negative things. In reality, it is just "turn about", which is fair play :-).

Yes, an 01 FFL can do the conversion, but there is risk/reward issues involved.

If a business invests money in order to do something, such as the SSE where the barrels and zero round magazine is needed and expects to get the money back over time, but then suddenly the time that they will be able to get a return on investment may be shortened, it is reasonable for the business to increase the price to get the same return on investment. Businesses are not there to provide customers with free services, although with firearms it seems that many people think that the FFL should charge almost nothing to do a transfer. This has been discussed numerous times.

In terms of supply and demand, there is limited supply and if the demand goes up, it is reasonable to increase the price to reduce the demand. In other words, if you don't like the price, then find another place which does it cheaper.

As to using your own parts, if you can get the parts to do it and you can show that it is 100%, then I would suspect that some FFLs would allow you to do it, but the cost of the barrel might be high and you also need to account for the time that the FFL will have to deal with it. Since it will take additional time, the FFL's fee should be higher. I would suggest that you not have the attitude that the FFL should do a lot of extra work for free since then the FFL has no reason to do it. The transfer fee is not worth it.

[lugnutwrench]

<OffTopic>
+1 to kemasa for a great explanation. Laypersons generally misuse the term "price gouging" to apply to almost any price that exceeds their desire to complete a transaction. Gouging is actually a very narrow concept which basically amounts to a seller raising the sale price for a single transaction higher than what she would otherwise seek based solely on the desperation of an individual buyer. (I.E., the "How much is it worth to you?" or "How much have you got?" negotiation.)

If buyers collectively drive up demand, price increases are the natural and necessary response to insure efficient allocation. No one is forcing anyone to engage in gun purchases involuntarily. Each buyer has the choice to walk away, wait, seek an alternative, go to a competitor, etc. For a more complete discussion, see: EconTalk: Munger on John Locke, Prices, and Hurricane Sandy.

This guy understands.
</OffTopic>

[EBR Works]

Suffice it to say that this decision was driven by simple economics and not the intent to "gouge" anyone. We recently invested a large amount of money in equipment to improve our offerings. This was done before the current surge in pending legislation. Our time frame to recoup our investment has now been reduced to 9 months since virtually everything we currently offer will likely be illegal next year. After discussion with our attorney and others, it seems probable that most of the current legislation will pass essentially ending our business model.

We also observed that several of our competitors were offering transfer services at much higher prices. Our fees are now more in line with these rates.

Unavailability of inventory has also devastated us since there is now virtually nothing to sell. How long this supply constraint will continue is very uncertain.

We will continue to offer the excellent service our clients have come to expect for as long as the legal environment in CA allows.

[Ricky-Ray]

There is the law of supply and demand, as well as return on investment.

It is funny that people tried to grind the prices down saying that they can get things cheaper elsewhere and that is ok, but if a business raises their prices it is all sorts of negative things. In reality, it is just "turn about", which is fair play :-).

Yes, an 01 FFL can do the conversion, but there is risk/reward issues involved.

If a business invests money in order to do something, such as the SSE where the barrels and zero round magazine is needed and expects to get the money back over time, but then suddenly the time that they will be able to get a return on investment may be shortened, it is reasonable for the business to increase the price to get the same return on investment. Businesses are not there to provide customers with free services, although with firearms it seems that many people think that the FFL should charge almost nothing to do a transfer. This has been discussed numerous times.

In terms of supply and demand, there is limited supply and if the demand goes up, it is reasonable to increase the price to reduce the demand. In other words, if you don't like the price, then find another place which does it cheaper.

As to using your own parts, if you can get the parts to do it and you can show that it is 100%, then I would suspect that some FFLs would allow you to do it, but the cost of the barrel might be high and you also need to account for the time that the FFL will have to deal with it. Since it will take additional time, the FFL's fee should be higher. I would suggest that you not have the attitude that the FFL should do a lot of extra work for free since then the FFL has no reason to do it. The transfer fee is not worth it.

Well said. Simple Economics 101, Law of Supply and Demand.

[kemasa]

Suffice it to say that this decision was driven by simple economics and not the intent to "gouge" anyone.

Just admit it, you are a gouger since charging anything is gouging. You should offer the service for free or perhaps pay people to do it for them. It should be free transfers for all!!