New AR Pistol for California, NOT A SINGLE SHOT

[RickD427]

Your speculation is that they will apply the same lack of logic to this issue as they did to the bullet button, and in truth, that would not be out of character for CADOJ. However, they have not opined as much. Until they do, your comments are mere assumptions that they will overreach again.

CADOJ reads this thread and many others. Surely they could take the time to provide a formal response if they believed such an act was a public crime. It is part of their duty to inform the public after all. Ultimately you will hear crickets because they know their challenge would be very risky, and hereto now, they have not been penalized for not responding.

I actually pretty much agree with you on this one. It would be very much in the DOJ's character to expand the "manufacturing a new firearm" concept from their current BBRAW stance to the conversion of a handgun.

I also think that you are very much correct in your belief that they are not doing so at the moment because of the legal uncertainty of their stance. They're going to test the waters before fully jumping in. That makes it particularly important for folks with legal standing to challenge the position in court before it expands.

Between us, I think that we have done a good job of informing the Calguns community of the issues. I write very conservatively, and try to point out the looming threat, and your comments have placed that threat into a current perspective. Neither of us can tell the members of our community what to do, they'll read our comments and make their own decisions.

Once the facts of this case are fully known, I'm hopeful that Franklin Armory will either come the defense of the deputy, or will clearly be able to inform our community what he did wrong.

In the meantime, I am very appreciative of the efforts of Franklin Armory to hold the California DOJ to the requirements of statute and I am hopeful that you will continue those efforts.

[franklinarmory]

Once the facts of this case are fully known, I'm hopeful that Franklin Armory will either come the defense of the deputy, or will clearly be able to inform our community what he did wrong.

In the meantime, I am very appreciative of the efforts of Franklin Armory to hold the California DOJ to the requirements of statute and I am hopeful that you will continue those efforts.

Actually, about 36 hours ago, I asked counsel to see if they could reach out to the defense attorney associated with this case. He was not able to find an attorney of record as of yet.

If there is a flaw in the state's case, I would love to provide testimony.

[Maximus28]

I hope a big time lawyer comes to his defense. I do hope it was fixed mag. It would be nice to have a positive precedence on this issue. I was just about to pull the trigger on a CA7.

***I do have one question for those using the Law Tactical adapter. Does the bolt extender interefere with your ability to use a fixed mag? What type of fixed mag device are you using that works with it? This is pretty much the thing I need to know as i wanna make it compact. I would really appreciate a clear answer as I have found conflicting info in the thread.

Bolt extended does not interfere with my ability to use my Franklin Armory DFM magazine/bolt release. I have a regular mil-spec magazine release on mine. With the FA DFM magazine and bolt catch combination, a mag lock is not needed on mine (magazine will not drop from bottom of receiver-even when pressing mag release). Bolt extender must be removed before upper receiver can be split openly; this takes a few seconds to accomplish. I have an LWRC extended Rear take down pin on my lower receiver to assist with this.

A solution that has already been mentioned by another member is to use a Mean Arms “MA Loader” to load the mag through the ejection port.

[newbieLA]

Quick update for those struggling with getting the buffer tube off. 90 seconds with a heat gun at 600C plus a channel lock and it come off like butter.

Putting the pieces together and waiting on the Maglock to arrive before hitting the range

Thanks again FA for making this happen!!

[SuperNerd]

Why did I just learn about this now?! This is what happens when you drop off CG and forget your pw.

When will the CA7 come back in stock? I need one.

[ar15barrels]

Once the facts of this case are fully known, I'm hopeful that Franklin Armory will either come the defense of the deputy, or will clearly be able to inform our community what he did wrong.

Some third-hand info I heard from a customer that supposedly read about the case on some police forum:

Defendant left his bag in the locker room at the police station.
Defendant asked his co-worker to grab the bag for him.
Co-Worker grabbed the bag.
Co-Worker noticed that the bag contained a pistol.
The pistol was being transported illegally (the bag was not locked).
The pistol was found to have a vertical foregrip, making it a CA Assault Weapon and a federal AOW.
The pistol was found to be an illegal assault weapon due to being converted to semi-automatic and having a detatchable magazine outside the pistol grip as well as a forward pistol grip as well as an illegal AOW due to the forward grip on a concealable (under 26") firearm.
The Co-Worker made the arrest.

Believe as much or as little as you like...

[dilznik]

Some third-hand info I heard from a customer that supposedly read about the case on some police forum:

Defendant left his bag in the locker room at the police station.
Defendant asked his co-worker to grab the bag for him.
Co-Worker grabbed the bag.
Co-Worker noticed that the bag contained a pistol.
The pistol was being transported illegally (the bag was not locked).
The pistol was found to have a vertical foregrip, making it a CA Assault Weapon and a federal AOW.
The pistol was found to be an illegal assault weapon due to being converted to semi-automatic and having a detatchable magazine outside the pistol grip as well as a forward pistol grip as well as an illegal AOW due to the forward grip on a concealable (under 26") firearm.
The Co-Worker made the arrest.

Believe as much or as little as you like...

Well... that'll get you arrested, definitely.

[RickD427]

Some third-hand info I heard from a customer that supposedly read about the case on some police forum:

Defendant left his bag in the locker room at the police station.
Defendant asked his co-worker to grab the bag for him.
Co-Worker grabbed the bag.
Co-Worker noticed that the bag contained a pistol.
The pistol was being transported illegally (the bag was not locked).
The pistol was found to have a vertical foregrip, making it a CA Assault Weapon and a federal AOW.
The pistol was found to be an illegal assault weapon due to being converted to semi-automatic and having a detatchable magazine outside the pistol grip as well as a forward pistol grip as well as an illegal AOW due to the forward grip on a concealable (under 26") firearm.
The Co-Worker made the arrest.

Believe as much or as little as you like...

Randall,

Thanks much for the update. I sure hope that the facts turn out to be different. It's hard to imagine a fellow LEO being that (unwise). But at the same time, LEO's gotta follow the law.

[ar15barrels]

I sure hope that the facts turn out to be different. It's hard to imagine a fellow LEO being that (unwise). But at the same time, LEO's gotta follow the law.

Like I said, it's about as trustworthy as legal advice from kids working behind a gun store counter.
Who knows...

There ARE a LOT of LE officers that think the AW laws do not apply to them.
I have had many interactions as such when they come into my shop.

[newbieLA]

Randall,

Thanks much for the update. I sure hope that the facts turn out to be different. It's hard to imagine a fellow LEO being that (unwise). But at the same time, LEO's gotta follow the law.

LEO's may not all know the letter of the law. But you'd think his colleague would at least let him know he's got an illegal configuration and needs to separate the upper and lower immediately... just sayin There's usually some professional courtesy between cops.

[LEAD LAUNCHER]

Some third-hand info I heard from a customer that supposedly read about the case on some police forum:

Defendant left his bag in the locker room at the police station.
Defendant asked his co-worker to grab the bag for him.
Co-Worker grabbed the bag.
Co-Worker noticed that the bag contained a pistol.
The pistol was being transported illegally (the bag was not locked).
The pistol was found to have a vertical foregrip, making it a CA Assault Weapon and a federal AOW.
The pistol was found to be an illegal assault weapon due to being converted to semi-automatic and having a detatchable magazine outside the pistol grip as well as a forward pistol grip as well as an illegal AOW due to the forward grip on a concealable (under 26") firearm.
The Co-Worker made the arrest.

Believe as much or as little as you like...

So sounds like it was NOT maglocked?

Yikes,plus a Fed charge for making an AOW. Brilliant.

[SigSauerP226]

Some third-hand info I heard from a customer that supposedly read about the case on some police forum:

Defendant left his bag in the locker room at the police station.
Defendant asked his co-worker to grab the bag for him.
Co-Worker grabbed the bag.
Co-Worker noticed that the bag contained a pistol.
The pistol was being transported illegally (the bag was not locked).
The pistol was found to have a vertical foregrip, making it a CA Assault Weapon and a federal AOW.
The pistol was found to be an illegal assault weapon due to being converted to semi-automatic and having a detatchable magazine outside the pistol grip as well as a forward pistol grip as well as an illegal AOW due to the forward grip on a concealable (under 26") firearm.
The Co-Worker made the arrest.

Believe as much or as little as you like...

Would suck if it was something dumb like VFG on <26" OAL. My guess is no mag lock. I can't believe the other Deputy went through his stuff, though, and then ratted him out, what a dink. I'd imagine he was on good terms with him if he's asking him to go get his stuff for him. IDK pretty weird situation and probably not getting a lot of details.

Dang, I guessed right sort of almost on both accounts haha.

[559nFree]

I give up on trying to buy one this year. Cant even get one from FA today on their website.

[franklinarmory]

I give up on trying to buy one this year. Cant even get one from FA today on their website.

More shipping in about 1-2 months.

[plumbum]

So it sounds like anything illegal you could do, was done?