New AR Pistol for California, NOT A SINGLE SHOT

[dwinters14]

I've been following this thread since it started. I bought a CA7 about 3 months ago and have since dumped a good $1000 into it- (looks amazing :P ) keeping it CA 'legal' (Juggernaut button, fixed mag) - assume the rest as you might...

I would say (calibers aside) that if you could get SKU's with things like a brace and a Pmag, or sights etc. You would inadvertently be 'showing' us consumers what the DOJ allows with regards to the AR pistol market. Just food for thought

Keep up the amazing work.
We should all be able to speak about this subject freely so that we know the limits, and thats the point- honestly the DOJ Should want to be participating in discussions like this instead of hoping to keep their jobs by neglecting to inform us (like, really inform us instead of releasing 30 pages of fine print gray area legal speak) about the exact tolerances of the law.

Could you imagine if you asked a police officer if driving with a broken taillight was illegal in CA, and instead of answering you he showed up at your home and arrested you because he thought asking about it implied something more sinister? Sounds pretty silly. Especially if most people are trying to OBEY the laws (or the limit of the laws), not break them. Oh well, maybe its just wishful thinking.

You're operating on the thought that the CADOJ are reasonable human beings. They're not. They're corrupt bureaucrat socialist and can't stand the fact that the constitution exists. They want complete and total control, and we are a HUGE roadblock in their way. Look at the way CA governs itself, total bullchit.

[dwinters14]

But still limited to 10 round mags so 9mm Glock mags not so fun.

The CA7 is a little pricey considering to do it the way most of us want, you'd have to tack on an extra $500.

But if they make it in 9mm.... I don't think I can resist and will have to bust out the CC.

Also guys keep in mind, a victory with PENA is a very realistic option in the next year or two. So we may be well in the clear, and for those that already have rifle caliber pistols, it'd be as easy as removing the bullchit "compliance" crap!

[marlin4622]

It's our pleasure!



BTW, we will be having a few new SKUs coming soon, God and CADOJ willing. Two of them are in process. What calibers, barrel lengths, etc. would you want to see in the future?

9mm Glock mag compatible.


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[xpxhxoxexnxixx]

You're operating on the thought that the CADOJ are reasonable human beings. They're not. They're corrupt bureaucrat socialist and can't stand the fact that the constitution exists. They want complete and total control, and we are a HUGE roadblock in their way. Look at the way CA governs itself, total bullchit.

Agreed. I was trying to decide between sarcasm or relatability in my post, oops

The other thing to remember here (if there are any law enforcement on this site), is that people that want to break the law, by nature, don't care about the law in the first place.
What i mean is, if you're intent was to commit a heinous crime let's say, I highly doubt you would first check with the DOJ to see if your firearm that you would use in said crime was within legal limits. Then again, they'd all be out of work if they had to transition to being psychiatrists instead...
I realize this is falling on deaf ears when it comes to the administration, but i figured 'just in case' someone of that status did come across this, they might understand better what the actual differences are.

[AregularGuy]

The CA7 is a little pricey considering to do it the way most of us want, you'd have to tack on an extra $500.

But if they make it in 9mm.... I don't think I can resist and will have to bust out the CC.

Also guys keep in mind, a victory with PENA is a very realistic option in the next year or two. So we may be well in the clear, and for those that already have rifle caliber pistols, it'd be as easy as removing the bullchit "compliance" crap!

[plumbum]

It's our pleasure!

BTW, we will be having a few new SKUs coming soon, God and CADOJ willing. Two of them are in process. What calibers, barrel lengths, etc. would you want to see in the future?

10mm + Glock mags = WIN!

[franklinarmory]

So, I was just thinking about the 9mm, 10mm scenario. Given that most uppers in that caliber are blowback, that becomes problematic. Unless something was done to prevent the semiautomatic function, I doubt that CADOJ would sign off on it.

[PewPewCanuck]

A dedicated 9mm lower with a Glock magwell would be nice but you can always just get an EndoMag and a 9mm upper for the current version of the CA7


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[84yoda]

So, I was just thinking about the 9mm, 10mm scenario. Given that most uppers in that caliber are blowback, that becomes problematic. Unless something was done to prevent the semiautomatic function, I doubt that CADOJ would sign off on it.

This guy is selling his SS 9mm ar, he posted a pic of a plug, that makes it not cycling. Will that work if you made a 9mm repeater?

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1512754

[franklinarmory]

This guy is selling his SS 9mm ar, he posted a pic of a plug, that makes it not cycling. Will that work if you made a 9mm repeater?

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1512754

A mag fed repeater that has a plug? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense honestly. I can't even think of a valid argument for the configuration.

[84yoda]

A mag fed repeater that has a plug? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense honestly. I can't even think of a valid argument for the configuration.

His is a single shot. Wasn't sure if that could work for you. Just tossin an idea around. Lol

[LEAD LAUNCHER]

So, I was just thinking about the 9mm, 10mm scenario. Given that most uppers in that caliber are blowback, that becomes problematic. Unless something was done to prevent the semiautomatic function, I doubt that CADOJ would sign off on it.

You would half to install a dowel or plug like one of my local gun stores is doing with their SSE2 pistols(which would be turning it into an on roster single shot at that point),or install a really heavy spring so that there was no blowback semiauto function.

Somehow I doubt DOJ would go for either of those-but you would know better than me.

There have been gas operated pistol caliber ARs.

If you Google you can read about them.

Theoretically ,maybe you could ship the pistol with a compatible bcg for that setup but what would be the point?

End user would still have to hook up a gas system or buy another upper, so they might as well just buy a blowback upper at that point.

[plumbum]

So, I was just thinking about the 9mm, 10mm scenario. Given that most uppers in that caliber are blowback, that becomes problematic. Unless something was done to prevent the semiautomatic function, I doubt that CADOJ would sign off on it.

Okay, hear me out - what if you made the pistol upper a ‘bolt-action’, but use a standard upper receiver, and have an extension that connects to the bcg (bolt body) that goes back through the buffer tube that has the bolt-handle sticking out through the buffer tube. That’s the cheapest and easiest part to replace and doesn’t need a wonky upper. Look at the Kel-Tec carbine and how the charging handle sticks out the bottom - like that, but as a bolt action. Maybe a modified A2 buffer shaped piece with a bolt handle and an extra thick buffer tube with a channel and notch for the bolt handle.

You’d have to use some kind of locking mechanism so as to not be capable of firing as semi-auto just by removing the bolt handle, but I’m not familiar enough with the AR bolts to go farther - lemme consult the all knowing YouTube.

[franklinarmory]

You would half to install a dowel or plug like one of my local gun stores is doing with their SSE2 pistols(which would be turning it into an on roster single shot at that point),or install a really heavy spring so that there was no blowback semiauto function.

I think we pioneered that idea around 2015. I didn't know that idea was still in use anywhere.

[dilznik]

Slight tangent: is the barrel nut loctited on? I can't frikkin get it off. I'm putting so much pressure on it that I'm worried about torquing the upper receiver.